yes, sting's soul cages is amazing, because it start so quiet and simple, just keyboard and guitar, then it picks up, more instruments coming, bells, more keyboards, drums, more guitars, some more bells...its like bolero
i used to count how many instruments were there, hart to tell, it gets rather tricky after a dozen
i used to count how many instruments were there, hart to tell, it gets rather tricky after a dozen
And on some songs on that record you can suddenly have some instrument appear in an 'unexpected place', from a scene that first seemed pretty coherent. I would say his bass-playing is the worst part of it all 🙂
Those are 2.5-way. JBL 2446H compression drivers on top for the mid-high range, JBL 4648A for the low-mid range.
The dbx active crossover is set to ~970 Hz.
The dbx active crossover is set to ~970 Hz.
Thank you. I appreciate your contributions to DIY audio. I've learned a lot from your postings.
Gabriel is an excellent choice, I know off hand there are some really good Peter Gabriel recordings out there.
It seems to me more often then not recordings from the UK are most often in the high likability range. It has no significant meaning of course they come from elsewhere. Although I'm having a tough time getting through a Bee Gee's CD atm. They have a couple groovy ones.
Optional question: Do you have any favorite Japanese recordings?
Is 2200 hz the actual crossover point? https://content-psbspeakers-com.s3....11.135914241.1646337270-1085465473.1645457258
Doesn't that seem low? The numbers are a little unusual right across wouldn't you say? It seems to be working. The mini's are known to image super good. They are holding up to the topic well thus far.
Not even harmonica, or certain brass instruments ring harsh bells with plenty of volume, and a stringed instrument or two that are know to be touchy with harshness, not a trace. Good old Vifas' champs with imaging. I need to build higher stands, that also anchor better, and have weight of sand. this is true. Those would work great if I were sitting on the floor.
Peter Gabriel gets another nod.
I'm currently spinning some, its too early to comment otherwise 😉
Doesn't that seem low? The numbers are a little unusual right across wouldn't you say? It seems to be working. The mini's are known to image super good. They are holding up to the topic well thus far.
Not even harmonica, or certain brass instruments ring harsh bells with plenty of volume, and a stringed instrument or two that are know to be touchy with harshness, not a trace. Good old Vifas' champs with imaging. I need to build higher stands, that also anchor better, and have weight of sand. this is true. Those would work great if I were sitting on the floor.
Peter Gabriel gets another nod.
I'm currently spinning some, its too early to comment otherwise 😉
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There isn't a point to try crytical listening from the am to pm during business and mass work detail hours. There is large volumes of traffic on our grids. And it certainly effects imaging and over all sound stage.
At this time even Peter Gabriel sounds bad. Really bad. Night time is the right time. They do keep infrastructure up. They constantly upgrade the grids here. Every thing is nice and crisp on say a Saturday early in the evening for instance. There is a huge difference in SQ, imaging and over all sound stage, less distortions, it becomes pin point accurate during different times.
At this time even Peter Gabriel sounds bad. Really bad. Night time is the right time. They do keep infrastructure up. They constantly upgrade the grids here. Every thing is nice and crisp on say a Saturday early in the evening for instance. There is a huge difference in SQ, imaging and over all sound stage, less distortions, it becomes pin point accurate during different times.
I noted the artificiality of the soundstage as a reminder of what we are "pursuing", a reproduction of the construct that the sound engineer was envisioning. Since this engineer created this audio image, likely listening to its final form thru a pair of far-field monitors, we can replicate this relatively easily.
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My favourite album for soundstage and image depth. The "whole album" is full of ear opening effects, which by the way is produced by recording engineers in the studio using the mixers Pan and Tilt which is nothing more than playing with channel balance and its phasing. A well designed front end and amp is essential for accurate sound stage spread, decent speakers on the other hand emphasise the depth of image.
If the back of my head is 6 o'clock.. in stereo I hear things from 12 o'clock right around to 5 and 7 o'clock. People talking, dog barking, Ferrari drive past, aeroplanes.. musical instruments have a glorious width and depth on this album. It really is an amazing album to test a systems soundstage and depth of image, not to mention its great Floyd music! I love playing this album to people who want to hear my system for the first time, they always ask where the rear speakers are hidden hahaha. A Highly Recommended album!
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couldn't agree more AlwaysHiFi.. room treatment is a must for accurate sound stage and image depth reproduction!
I found treating the first reflections had the biggest impact followed by front wall dampening and or dispersion
And by the way, I love the Petersons vid above... I've been playing acoustic guitar now for over 50 years. Oh boy I could have some fun jamming with them!
I found treating the first reflections had the biggest impact followed by front wall dampening and or dispersion
And by the way, I love the Petersons vid above... I've been playing acoustic guitar now for over 50 years. Oh boy I could have some fun jamming with them!
Amused to Death is in my favs for sound scape to @Allan Very wide, some of the speech clips sound to come from side walls or behind speakers. Bill Hubards voice can get lost with some sources, I use this to test new dac builds. Correct set up and his voice is clear, far left set back just behind speaker front face.
Thats a good way to put it. Its fair to classify it as art, limited to the artists' interpretation.
I have not put a single out. This one has a set of lungs, nice vocal range
This is a very interesting topic, for sure. I concur with statement of calling it art; a sonic sculpture of sorts. It is so different from live acoustic music in where and how you hear the instruments. Something that can make me reach for my remote if I'm in a bad mood is when drums and piano are panned fully <l-r> so that the instrument sound six metres wide. You get a ride cymbal and some high notes from one edge of the soundstage and then a flor tom and some bass notes from the other. Breaks the illusion completely... Can't remember who it was now but I recently saw a video where the singer played an acoustic guitar. Her voice was smack in the middle, but the guitar came from far out left, and sounded further back than her. The band was neatly placed. The guitar probably didn't "fit" in the middle, and I get it. There are a lot of sounds in there and trying to make it listenable on the kind of system most Youtube-viewers have... Well...
You can't forget about eq'ing either since many instruments and many rooms can be quite harsh, shrill, or boomy, and cover up or cancel out each other. Often in recordings you "scoop" out frequencies from the different instruments so that they will sound clearer and give the impression of greater separation. Though I feel many recordings, especially the kind of ones used to showcase speakers/systems, are waaaay too smooth. And compression, compression, compression, such an amazing and invaluable resource. Getting recorded music to sound good without is pure witchcraft.
Some stuff I like though:
Neurosis "The doorway" from "Times of grace"
Björk "Pagan poetry" from "Vespertine" Overall her records offer amazing soundscapes.
Stravinsky "Le sacre du printemps" (Markevitch, Philharmonia Orchestra 1959)
Respighi "Vetrate de chiesa/Brasilian impressions" (Philharmonia Orchestra/Geoffrey Simon 1984) Part two of "Vetrate.." is amazing for dynamics and imaging.
Steve Reich "Music for 18 musicians: Section IIIA"
Wolfgang Muthspiel "Clearing" from "Where the river goes"
There are of course many many more. THERE IS JUST SO MUCH GREAT MUSIC
Right now listening to John Lee Hooker "Early studio recordings 48-52" I can swear he's in the room with me, and that I'm not listening to a 70 year old mono recording, but a guy with a guitar and a heavy heart sitting a few metres from me.
You can't forget about eq'ing either since many instruments and many rooms can be quite harsh, shrill, or boomy, and cover up or cancel out each other. Often in recordings you "scoop" out frequencies from the different instruments so that they will sound clearer and give the impression of greater separation. Though I feel many recordings, especially the kind of ones used to showcase speakers/systems, are waaaay too smooth. And compression, compression, compression, such an amazing and invaluable resource. Getting recorded music to sound good without is pure witchcraft.
Some stuff I like though:
Neurosis "The doorway" from "Times of grace"
Björk "Pagan poetry" from "Vespertine" Overall her records offer amazing soundscapes.
Stravinsky "Le sacre du printemps" (Markevitch, Philharmonia Orchestra 1959)
Respighi "Vetrate de chiesa/Brasilian impressions" (Philharmonia Orchestra/Geoffrey Simon 1984) Part two of "Vetrate.." is amazing for dynamics and imaging.
Steve Reich "Music for 18 musicians: Section IIIA"
Wolfgang Muthspiel "Clearing" from "Where the river goes"
There are of course many many more. THERE IS JUST SO MUCH GREAT MUSIC
Right now listening to John Lee Hooker "Early studio recordings 48-52" I can swear he's in the room with me, and that I'm not listening to a 70 year old mono recording, but a guy with a guitar and a heavy heart sitting a few metres from me.
Rick, your first post sounded more negative then your second.
Yes, soundtage is mostly arteficial. Thats not the point. Artist and sound engineer work very hard to create this soundstage illusion, some succeed, some don't.
We should make our effort to hear it. Including the proper electronics, speakers and room involved.
We go to art galeries to admire paintings, yet we know those are not real, they are all arteficial, created by the artist. It would be lot more real to buy slr camera and snap a picture portrait, or countryside. But that's not the point, is it.
For those who like soundstage as nature intended, here is beautiful presentation of rain forest birds, howler monkeys, cicadas and so on. Enjoy.
Yes, soundtage is mostly arteficial. Thats not the point. Artist and sound engineer work very hard to create this soundstage illusion, some succeed, some don't.
We should make our effort to hear it. Including the proper electronics, speakers and room involved.
We go to art galeries to admire paintings, yet we know those are not real, they are all arteficial, created by the artist. It would be lot more real to buy slr camera and snap a picture portrait, or countryside. But that's not the point, is it.
For those who like soundstage as nature intended, here is beautiful presentation of rain forest birds, howler monkeys, cicadas and so on. Enjoy.
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I began to take notes for future referencing.
The Pogues The band played Matilda
Tower of song Tom Jones
Rodger Miller King of the road.
Deep Purple, Knocking at your back door
La Grange ZZ Top.
Mark Knopper's later music. It doesn't get airplay on the analog radio stations here. His material is always tastefully done, past and present.
These recordings that sound meticulously done, I just get blown away. I become so drawn into the music the outside world closes off. For even just a little while it doesn't exist.
The Pogues The band played Matilda
Tower of song Tom Jones
Rodger Miller King of the road.
Deep Purple, Knocking at your back door
La Grange ZZ Top.
Mark Knopper's later music. It doesn't get airplay on the analog radio stations here. His material is always tastefully done, past and present.
These recordings that sound meticulously done, I just get blown away. I become so drawn into the music the outside world closes off. For even just a little while it doesn't exist.
Wilco, there's that name again. With Billy Bragg who I did know of, but only by one song A new England.
More than a couple sound well done
Does it go without saying music on youtube should be taken with a grain of salt? Its meant as more of a taste test sampler than anything when I link them.
Where are you guys and girls streaming music these days?
More than a couple sound well done
Does it go without saying music on youtube should be taken with a grain of salt? Its meant as more of a taste test sampler than anything when I link them.
Where are you guys and girls streaming music these days?