Surely you've heard all this talk of how aspirin massively reduces the chance of developing heart disease. This is why middle-aged and elderly people are advised to take one a day.
For pain, I like paracetamol, makes me feel warm and snoozy, good for going to sleep 😉
-Simon
Hi,
I sincerely whished I could....And very much doubt anyone can for that matter.
The only advise I can give anyone is not to overdo it and take them in combination with vitamin C and calcium.
They're marketed in that form as efervescent tablets you dissolve in water.
If not they may potentially damage the stomach and the kidneys.
Placebos they're definetely not....To most scientists aspirine is as mysterious in it's workings as, you guessed it, Bybees.
John, you should have my e-mail address and in case you'd like expert advise, my dad is one of them.
Cheers, 😉
I sincerely whished I could....And very much doubt anyone can for that matter.
The only advise I can give anyone is not to overdo it and take them in combination with vitamin C and calcium.
They're marketed in that form as efervescent tablets you dissolve in water.
If not they may potentially damage the stomach and the kidneys.
Placebos they're definetely not....To most scientists aspirine is as mysterious in it's workings as, you guessed it, Bybees.
John, you should have my e-mail address and in case you'd like expert advise, my dad is one of them.
Cheers, 😉
john curl said:
AFAIK, it was just a few years ago that it was
proven. True, I think someone "proved" it long ago, but that
proof was later found incorrect or unsatisfactory. You know
how these british guys did it? They built a giant model of
an insect, not quite a bumblebee, though, and made a lot
of windtunnel experiments.
When I went to university some 20 years ago, I had a classmate
who was also studying for a PhD in maths at another university
in parallel with his engineering studies. His great passion, though,
was birds, and already then he was doing mathematical models
of how birds burn fat when flying over Sahara. I haven't met
him since, but just a few weeks ago,
I read that also for small birds, the physics has never quite been
able to explain how they can fly, but now this guy and one of
his student have found out by putting real birds in windtunnels
and doing massive computer analyses ofthe results. Similar to
the bumblebee, they found hithertoo unknown turbulence
effects.
Fair enough, I am sure the military in many countries have
tried a lot of things they were sceptical about, and I suppose
especially the US military was quite desperate and paranoid
(not entirely without reason) in those days.
Sure, those things are happening all the time. We recently
learned that despite Swedens official neutrality policy there
seems to have been a rather clear tacit understanding,
during the cold war, although
never in written form, that the US promised to help us if Soviet
should suddenly attack us. The official swedish policy was
always that you should also be treated as an enemy if you
entered from the west to push them out. Similarly, in secret
you lent us very advanced signal surveiilance equipment that
not even your other NATO allies were entrusted with, naturally
with the requirement that we share our info with you in secret.
The swedish signal surveillance intelligence (or whatever to
call it) was know to be very good in those days. They knew
about the Soviet invasion of Checkoslovakia in 1968 some
24 hours before it happened. My guess is, thsi was rather
quickly passed on to you.
Of course, just because someone refers to something as
classified information doesn't prove that there really is
anything to it. In the case of the military it could be a
smokescreen to give an impression they have something
they actually don't have, or they use it just in case even
though they don't really know if it helps.
Sounds we have something in common there. Although I did
for a while work with digital design at a company, I then
turned into academic research. One of the reasons was that
I have never been comfortable even with having to remember
what is a company secret and what isn't. I did my master
thesis project at that company, and except that the examiner
at the university was allowed the full version of the internal
company report, the official version was quite brief and had
vague statements, saying 100+MHz rather than the 130MHz
or whatever it was.
Hi,
Because it tends to make the blood thinner hence reducing the stress on the cardiac muscles that have to pump it around the body.
Cheers,😉
Because it tends to make the blood thinner hence reducing the stress on the cardiac muscles that have to pump it around the body.
Cheers,😉
fdegrove said:
Yes, and that is, I think, a rather well understood effect, although
perhaps not quite why it makes the blood thinner. However, don't
overdo it, Usually just a very small dose a day is sufficient
for this purpose. My mother has special pills which are only
1/4 the strenght of the usual one for this purpose.
Hi,
Certainly. It's just happens that aspirine has an enormous amount of side effects that somehow all tend to be beneficial.
Well, most of them anyway.
Nicotine and alcohol are other misunderstood drugs that fall into the same category.
My excuse to smoke and drink and still do the 100M crawl under 55 secs you think? Nah, doesn't work like that.
Amazing, he?
Cheers,😉
Certainly. It's just happens that aspirine has an enormous amount of side effects that somehow all tend to be beneficial.
Well, most of them anyway.
Nicotine and alcohol are other misunderstood drugs that fall into the same category.
My excuse to smoke and drink and still do the 100M crawl under 55 secs you think? Nah, doesn't work like that.
Amazing, he?
Cheers,😉
fdegrove said:
Yes, but also some side effects which are harmful.
Alcohol used to be considered harmful by physicians and no
alcohol at all was the politically correct recommendation. Things
have changed and SMALL doses of alcohol seems to be accepted
by most physicians as beneficial. My physician friend said that
while any use of alcohol was previously considered a risk factor,
it is now rather considered a risk factor to stay away entirely
from it, provided you don't dring much a day. (I am afraid he
drinks more wine that he should, nowadays).
Smoking is a different matter. It is often claimed to be the
only thing where the statistics is so overwhelming that it can
be safely said that smoking definitely is dangerous to your
health. Still, it seems also to be a lot of statistics indicating
that it is usually the smoking in combination with other risk
factors that is the big danger.
I think it is starting to become appropriate for some of us to
apologize to Pjotr for these excursion into medicine, bumblebees
and classified military information, since he expressively asked
for a serious discussion of the Bybees.
Maybe it is time for a moderator to try splitting the thread?
Hi,
Christer,
Read what I posted...I did say nicotine, not smoking.
Anyway, this has turned into your friendly neighbourhood's health advise club.😎
Stevie boy,
We do grow up on a ton a misconceptions and illusions, don't we?
Do you care to remember the tons of BS you've been spoonfed at school or at home?
Abstract thinking is a help to me sometimes...Deep, deep sigh...🙂
Any ammo left in them barrels?
Cheers,😉
Christer,
Read what I posted...I did say nicotine, not smoking.
Anyway, this has turned into your friendly neighbourhood's health advise club.😎
Stevie boy,
We do grow up on a ton a misconceptions and illusions, don't we?
Do you care to remember the tons of BS you've been spoonfed at school or at home?
Abstract thinking is a help to me sometimes...Deep, deep sigh...🙂
Any ammo left in them barrels?
Cheers,😉
fdegrove said:
Sorry, it is getting very late, and you also mentioned you
are a smoker, which made me jump to false conclusions.
Christer said:
Sure, you can take shots in the dark and eventually hit something. Infinite number of monkeys with an infinite number of typewriters and all...
Which led me to the afterthought question I posed:
For that matter, how do they know that they work at all?
If you're just taking shots in the dark, there needs to be some indication that you've hit something. Or in this case, know when something "works."
If they have no idea how these things work, SOMETHING must have been different which was measurable and quantifiable. What was it?
Given the claims made by Bybee, they seem to pretty much do everything. They reduce noise. They increase propagation velocity. They eliminate undesirable impedance mismatches. They cause your loudspeakers to present an easier load to your amplifiers. They eliminate overshoot and ringing in digital interfaces. They reduce distortion. According to von Schweikert, they filter RFI.
Is there anything they DON'T do? Sounds rather like the patent medicines of the past which claimed to cure most any disease you were likely to contract.
se
Hi,
Last thing we want is more smokers...
Take an aspirine if you're too tired and still want to hang in...It helps.
Cheers Christer, 😉
P.S. We had to derail this one, didn't we?
Last thing we want is more smokers...
Take an aspirine if you're too tired and still want to hang in...It helps.
Cheers Christer, 😉
P.S. We had to derail this one, didn't we?
john curl said:
Oh come on, John. This whole "Science proved that the bumblebee couldn't fly" thing is nothing but an urban legend. Why do you keep perpetuating this nonsense? Somebody's lab assistant did some calculations which got mentioned in some book and it took on a life of its own.
The notion that the scientific community was in agreement that it was impossible for the bumblebee to fly is just more BS.
se
Hi,
Bumblebees do fly and it's pretty obvious to me someone needs an aspirine....
Be patient old boy, proof will come along...Some day.
Ever read Moliere?
What a farce, 😉
Bumblebees do fly and it's pretty obvious to me someone needs an aspirine....
Be patient old boy, proof will come along...Some day.
Ever read Moliere?
What a farce, 😉
I agree Steve, but with drugs and many otherthings there
seems to still be a lot of black art and guesswork. Not
surprising considering how little is still known about the human
body, let alone the brain. How many drugs have they put
billions of
dollars into developing, just to find out they don't work, or not
well enough. Sometimes they dump them on the third world,
to get some money back, or just happened to find some other
use, like with Viagra.
As I said, with drugs there are strict regulations for how to
prove they work, although they are not always sufficient.
For the Bybees we have no such proof, it is just claims and
peoples subjective impressions. I also find it increadibly
hard to belive they could filter out noise and stuff and that
they could work equally well whether you put them on the
speaker cables, the interconnects or on the power cable.
unless, of course, it is just an RFI filter similar to a ferrite
core, as von Schveikert seem to indicate.
Nobody would be happier than me if they actually could clean
out almost any noise and stuff. I mostly listen to historical
classical recordings, and although the sound is often very
good in many respects, there usually are problems with noise
and distorsion. I wouldn't invest in them just for the very
remote possibility that they could achieve this effect, until
there is sufficient evidence, subjective or objective, that they
work for this puprpose. Anybody who tried that particular
way of using them? Hey, if someone could demonstrate to
me that even Peder Schrams 1886 recordings of Mozart
arias becomes at leat bearably enjoyable I don't think I would hesitate to buy the Bybees.
seems to still be a lot of black art and guesswork. Not
surprising considering how little is still known about the human
body, let alone the brain. How many drugs have they put
billions of
dollars into developing, just to find out they don't work, or not
well enough. Sometimes they dump them on the third world,
to get some money back, or just happened to find some other
use, like with Viagra.
As I said, with drugs there are strict regulations for how to
prove they work, although they are not always sufficient.
For the Bybees we have no such proof, it is just claims and
peoples subjective impressions. I also find it increadibly
hard to belive they could filter out noise and stuff and that
they could work equally well whether you put them on the
speaker cables, the interconnects or on the power cable.
unless, of course, it is just an RFI filter similar to a ferrite
core, as von Schveikert seem to indicate.
Nobody would be happier than me if they actually could clean
out almost any noise and stuff. I mostly listen to historical
classical recordings, and although the sound is often very
good in many respects, there usually are problems with noise
and distorsion. I wouldn't invest in them just for the very
remote possibility that they could achieve this effect, until
there is sufficient evidence, subjective or objective, that they
work for this puprpose. Anybody who tried that particular
way of using them? Hey, if someone could demonstrate to
me that even Peder Schrams 1886 recordings of Mozart
arias becomes at leat bearably enjoyable I don't think I would hesitate to buy the Bybees.
Hi,
Whoever they are, past by date medicines are donated to the third world if considered safe for use.
For free, by pharmacists, dentists and doctors or any other institution involved.
Facts please? 😉
Whoever they are, past by date medicines are donated to the third world if considered safe for use.
For free, by pharmacists, dentists and doctors or any other institution involved.
Facts please? 😉
Steve Eddy said:
Are you really sure it is an urban legend? Why was the british
research mentioned in fairly reliable techincal magazines. Do
you have any evidence of old proofs that they can fly. Further,
did you read that thing I wrote about the same problem with
birds, in my recent response to John. I knew that guy a long
ago and he game me the impression of being very clever and
very serious about birds. Obviously he has been obsessed
for at least twenty years with mathematical modelling of them.
Come to think of it, it has been known for over hundred years
that bumblebees can fly. Didn't Mussorgsky write "the flight
of the bumblebee"? 🙂
fdegrove said:
No, I admit I have no hard facts, and it may be conspiracy
theories I admit. Still we see a lot of claims of such things
happening. I find it hard to believe this massive amount
of articles, novels and movies about fishy behaviour by
the pharmaceutical companies totally lacks substance.
Donation of safe medicine is another story, and good thing.
When my friend and his ex-wife went to work in Angola for
a while, they wrote to all the pharmaceutical companies asking
for free drugs for personal use against every imaginable
thing they migh catch down there. When they went home they
donated all the remining medicine to this "hopsital".
Out Of Africa....
Hi,
In Africa you can still cure a lot of illness with a single aspirine, Christer.
In audioland we can still cure alot of harshness with the judicious use of mains filtering, snubbers across diodes, better diodes, well thought out design or a tube rectified PS even for SS amps.
No aspirine is going to cure that.
Clever Trevor spoke again,😉
Hi,
In Africa you can still cure a lot of illness with a single aspirine, Christer.
In audioland we can still cure alot of harshness with the judicious use of mains filtering, snubbers across diodes, better diodes, well thought out design or a tube rectified PS even for SS amps.
No aspirine is going to cure that.
Clever Trevor spoke again,😉
Re: Out Of Africa....
Sure, but that is a well-approved of drug which is nothing fishy
with giving to the Africans. Don't know how true it is, but
someone who had lived for a while in Africa claimed that what
kills most people is not malaria, AIDS or similar, but the common
cold. Aspirine might do some good there.
Sure, aspirine affetcs your hearing negatively while it is working.
Strong sudden tinnitus is one of the signs of overdosage.
MODERATOR NOTICE!!!!!
I think Pjotr would be grateful if you could try splitting out
some of this into the everythin else forum.
fdegrove said:
Sure, but that is a well-approved of drug which is nothing fishy
with giving to the Africans. Don't know how true it is, but
someone who had lived for a while in Africa claimed that what
kills most people is not malaria, AIDS or similar, but the common
cold. Aspirine might do some good there.
Sure, aspirine affetcs your hearing negatively while it is working.
Strong sudden tinnitus is one of the signs of overdosage.
MODERATOR NOTICE!!!!!
I think Pjotr would be grateful if you could try splitting out
some of this into the everythin else forum.
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