But at least you can agree that this is going to be an upgrade from a broken F5? 🙂
I am about to buy a bunch of Tokins. Which is the preferred one again? Any difference between THF-51S/2sk180/2sk182?
I am about to buy a bunch of Tokins. Which is the preferred one again? Any difference between THF-51S/2sk180/2sk182?
consider your self lucky to get a pair of any of these, then make anything with them
first - THF51 and 2SK182 - didn't tried latter in Sissy; though , taking in account experience of trying them all in Singing Bush, I'm expecting (in SissySIT) practically no significant difference between THF and 2SK182, while 2SK180 could be slightly different ......... though can't say it's going to be worse
speaking of Sissy - major thing is - acquiring a pair adequate (Ugs) for Sissy, and - I'm having just few more ACS723 in drawer and that's pretty important part ; bummer is - I can't see it available in regular places now and when they'll be available again, who knows
so, from moment when I don't have any, I can't say anything when I can get them again
hm, maybe is time to devise some other loony biasing technique , not involving preputium made of parts
first - THF51 and 2SK182 - didn't tried latter in Sissy; though , taking in account experience of trying them all in Singing Bush, I'm expecting (in SissySIT) practically no significant difference between THF and 2SK182, while 2SK180 could be slightly different ......... though can't say it's going to be worse
speaking of Sissy - major thing is - acquiring a pair adequate (Ugs) for Sissy, and - I'm having just few more ACS723 in drawer and that's pretty important part ; bummer is - I can't see it available in regular places now and when they'll be available again, who knows
so, from moment when I don't have any, I can't say anything when I can get them again
hm, maybe is time to devise some other loony biasing technique , not involving preputium made of parts

* THF-51/ THF-51S
* 2SK180/ 2SK180D
* 2SK182/ 2SK182E/ 2SK182ES
the difference is rank of Vgs on.
* 2SK180/ 2SK180D
* 2SK182/ 2SK182E/ 2SK182ES
the difference is rank of Vgs on.
I know it's written somewhere in the thread....But could not find it. What is the Vgs that is suitable for SissySIT?
Please see post #503:
https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/pas...ysit-building-tips-tricks-51.html#post5700159
https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/pas...ysit-building-tips-tricks-51.html#post5700159
rhthatcher: It is nice to know that I am on the right track when planning to build a SissySIT/Singing Bush. Question: My subwoofer has a 500W class D plate amp, I don't see how an F5 could replace it.
What sub are you using? My sub is a 100dB Danley DTS-10. I used to run a 2000W pro-sound amp on it. I may switch back to a higher power amp in the future. I will borrow a friend's F5 V3 Turbos I built and try the jump from 25 to 100W. I think 2000W is massive overkill, perhaps there is a happy medium.
https://www.danleysoundlabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/DTS-10-spec-sheet.pdf
as I just wrote to Rewind in PM :
3V5 is - no trouble at all
3V7 is - maybe you'll need to use selected IRFP9140, for greater Ugs ( some are 4V, some 4V5 and you'll need these)
3V86 is - even more trouble for selecting them
however , I believe I'll soon make some efforts to develop another biasing method, especially for these SITs with higher Ugs
3V5 is - no trouble at all
3V7 is - maybe you'll need to use selected IRFP9140, for greater Ugs ( some are 4V, some 4V5 and you'll need these)
3V86 is - even more trouble for selecting them
however , I believe I'll soon make some efforts to develop another biasing method, especially for these SITs with higher Ugs
Thank you very much...Thank you ZM too...That's the info. I'm looking for. 🙂
The link above is about servicing YAMAHA B-1 that came with 2SK77.
"The "2SK180", which will be replaced in short, has a larger drain loss than the genuine "2SK77" by 1.5 times, so it has a larger input capacity. THF-51s, 2SK180ES is even bigger!
Because of this, if you simply replace it, the high frequency characteristics will deteriorate, so you must change the circuit. Circuit changes are not included."
"The "2SK180", which will be replaced in short, has a larger drain loss than the genuine "2SK77" by 1.5 times, so it has a larger input capacity. THF-51s, 2SK180ES is even bigger!
Because of this, if you simply replace it, the high frequency characteristics will deteriorate, so you must change the circuit. Circuit changes are not included."
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Ofc, Papa already has mentioned something about this (or something similar): Post: #221 Hockey Puck SIT 2SK180 by Tokin source NOS
"I haven't tested the 2SK180 for bandwidth, but it appears comparable to the
2SK182, more likely the THF51S. For the latter, common source operation from
600 ohms gives -3 dB at 10 KHz, so you will want to divide that 600 ohms by
whatever ratio gives you the rolloff frequency you want. 100 ohms might do it.
The output of a 2SK170 buffer would definitely do it." - Papa
It could be something else that also "deteriorates high frequency" or at least rolls off -3dB at 10kHz. I am sure all of this is already considered in the SissySIT and I should just go for THF51S.
"I haven't tested the 2SK180 for bandwidth, but it appears comparable to the
2SK182, more likely the THF51S. For the latter, common source operation from
600 ohms gives -3 dB at 10 KHz, so you will want to divide that 600 ohms by
whatever ratio gives you the rolloff frequency you want. 100 ohms might do it.
The output of a 2SK170 buffer would definitely do it." - Papa
It could be something else that also "deteriorates high frequency" or at least rolls off -3dB at 10kHz. I am sure all of this is already considered in the SissySIT and I should just go for THF51S.
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da proof is in da pudding
in this case ...... in fact - in all successful cases , pudding = cojones
SIT demands that , to be driven with, and then you have well behaved amp
🙂
in this case ...... in fact - in all successful cases , pudding = cojones
SIT demands that , to be driven with, and then you have well behaved amp
🙂
... Circuit changes are not included."
Some secrets that the cat never did teach the tiger 🙂
speaking of Sissy - major thing is - acquiring a pair adequate (Ugs) for Sissy, and - I'm having just few more ACS723 in drawer and that's pretty important part ; bummer is - I can't see it available in regular places now and when they'll be available again, who knows
so, from moment when I don't have any, I can't say anything when I can get them again
hm, maybe is time to devise some other loony biasing technique , not involving preputium made of parts![]()
ZM, are the ACS723 5A the only variant that will work in SissySIT? There are others available from various sources, 10A, 20A, 40A, etc...
not enough gain, I fear
considering needed work to be involved in optimizing for another current sense IC, better to invest that time in another public disgrace
(different biasing)
considering needed work to be involved in optimizing for another current sense IC, better to invest that time in another public disgrace

I may have found another source, ZM. I have ordered from them before, a bunch of KSC3503ESTU. Anyway, here's the link:
ACS723LLCTR-05AB-T Allegro MicroSystems, LLC | WIN SOURCE
ACS723LLCTR-05AB-T Allegro MicroSystems, LLC | WIN SOURCE
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