Hello,
I'm Oliver from Germany and it's my first post.
First of all please be patient if I don't succeed in getting to the point. I'm a "digital audiophile" and my perfect setting for listening music is:
[NAS] ---USB A-B---> [AMP]
Basically this works fine and is the straightest signal way from NAS (Synology DS716+II) to amp which is capable to handle digital audio files up to DSD256 (Audiolab M-One). Server app is "Synology Audio Station", transcoding disabled, bitperfect and gapless playback.
The problem: after an indefinite period of time (sometimes on from beginning) the amp looses input signal and I have to pull the USB plug once to reactivate the connection.
A solution: runeaudio on Odroid C1+ with network source ...as a kind of "technical middleware" and it keeps up connection. 😉
Well, runeaudios library gui is quite nice and clean but DS Audio is a little more comfortable.
A solution is to activate UPNP/DLNA in runeaudio.
[NAS] ---RJ45 (DLNA)---> [runeaudio] ---USB A-B---> [amp]
Works, too. Problem: no gapless playback using Audio Station/DS Audio (iOS)
I have no idea about Linux but I've heard something about a lightweight distribution with MPD and upmpdcli - instead of runeaudio ('oversized') - could be a solution. Could it?
If everything is too complicated, I'll stick with runeaudio as a player.
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I just used Volumio for comparison, no improvement here either so I think it won’t work with other linux MPD solutions. Am I right? Any other ideas?
Regards,
Oliver
I'm Oliver from Germany and it's my first post.
First of all please be patient if I don't succeed in getting to the point. I'm a "digital audiophile" and my perfect setting for listening music is:
[NAS] ---USB A-B---> [AMP]
Basically this works fine and is the straightest signal way from NAS (Synology DS716+II) to amp which is capable to handle digital audio files up to DSD256 (Audiolab M-One). Server app is "Synology Audio Station", transcoding disabled, bitperfect and gapless playback.
The problem: after an indefinite period of time (sometimes on from beginning) the amp looses input signal and I have to pull the USB plug once to reactivate the connection.
A solution: runeaudio on Odroid C1+ with network source ...as a kind of "technical middleware" and it keeps up connection. 😉
Well, runeaudios library gui is quite nice and clean but DS Audio is a little more comfortable.
A solution is to activate UPNP/DLNA in runeaudio.
[NAS] ---RJ45 (DLNA)---> [runeaudio] ---USB A-B---> [amp]
Works, too. Problem: no gapless playback using Audio Station/DS Audio (iOS)
I have no idea about Linux but I've heard something about a lightweight distribution with MPD and upmpdcli - instead of runeaudio ('oversized') - could be a solution. Could it?
If everything is too complicated, I'll stick with runeaudio as a player.
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I just used Volumio for comparison, no improvement here either so I think it won’t work with other linux MPD solutions. Am I right? Any other ideas?
Regards,
Oliver
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Synology DS716+II is a linux computer (Intel Celeron N3160) running some old kernel with lots of backported patches. Even if synology guys backported newer alsa fixes for usb-audio class 2, I doubt they did it clean and fault-free. Very likely the alsa usb-audio driver is in a very sad state compared to modern kernel. Most likely runeaudio runs a newer or better-backported kernel which fixes some bugs/suboptimal support.
Yet perhaps a peek at system logs via ssh connection to the synology box could reveal the real cause and perhaps it could be fixed externally without upgrading the kernel (which is unfeasible, AFAIU).
Yet perhaps a peek at system logs via ssh connection to the synology box could reveal the real cause and perhaps it could be fixed externally without upgrading the kernel (which is unfeasible, AFAIU).
Yes, mpd is simple and reliable.
You could install a "standard" Linux distribution on your Odroid, then manually install and configure mpd.
But if you prefer a pre-packaged distribution for Odroid with mpd ready to go, I think Archphile would be your best option -
Archphile - Browse /odroidc2 at SourceForge.net
Updated link for the latest Archphile for Odroid C1/C2 -
Archphile - Browse /odroidc2/1.19-beta-corona at SourceForge.net
Archphile - Browse /odroidc2/1.19-beta-corona at SourceForge.net
Thank you for your replies.
With DSM 6.2 Synology has officially discontinued USB - DAC audio. If it still works, fine but no support. So I would go on with Odroid basically.
I‘d prefer a pre-package as well. 😉 I'll test Archohile and I'll get back to you.
The most important thing for me is a bitperfect data output. Okay, and a good operation gui.
With DSM 6.2 Synology has officially discontinued USB - DAC audio. If it still works, fine but no support. So I would go on with Odroid basically.
I‘d prefer a pre-package as well. 😉 I'll test Archohile and I'll get back to you.
The most important thing for me is a bitperfect data output. Okay, and a good operation gui.
Archphile is probably configured for bit-perfect audio. You can check the Archphile author's comments here -
Archphile - An Archlinux Based Audiophile Distribution for Raspberry Pi and Udoo Quad
And you can also check the configuration of ALSA and MPD which I explained here -
https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/pc-based/300731-music-server-2.html#post5010872
There are many different MPD client applications available. Some are good, some not so good.
For Android I like MPDroid
MPDroid – Apps on Google Play
and MPD Control
MPD Control – Apps on Google Play
I've successfully installed Archphile on mSD but no "sign of life" with the C1+. I did a little browsing on Mikes blog and found out that he has dropped C1+ support in 2018 and still went on with C2.
As already said I have no idea about linux but I'm willing to try if anyone can show me "the first steps into right direction".
On odroid-wiki I found that: odroid-c1😱s_images:third_party [ODROID Wiki]
Which should I take and what do I have to configure for "DLNA-in - USB-audio out to amp"? (...controlled by Synology DS audio app).
BTW, I'm on macOS 10.15...keyword: ssh.
As already said I have no idea about linux but I'm willing to try if anyone can show me "the first steps into right direction".
On odroid-wiki I found that: odroid-c1😱s_images:third_party [ODROID Wiki]
Which should I take and what do I have to configure for "DLNA-in - USB-audio out to amp"? (...controlled by Synology DS audio app).
BTW, I'm on macOS 10.15...keyword: ssh.
Ah, the version of Archphile that I suggested (ver 1.19) may be too new.
So try version 0.99.73 from 2018 -
Archphile - Browse /odroidc2/0.99.73-alpha at SourceForge.net
Forget about DLNA. MPD is more than just an endpoint/renderer, it's a full music server. So your Synology NAS will go back to its conventional purpose of just being a network fileshare. The Synology DS Audio app is no longer in use.
Linux will auto-configure a USB audio device. Just make sure that your DAC (which I understand is internal to your amp) is turned on first, before powering up the C1.
I used MPD for several years before dismantling everything for a move about 2 years ago. It works well for local file playback. What seemed to be very much lacking was some kind of streaming audio support. How do I play tunes from internet radio, Pandora, Spotify, etc?
I strongly prefer not to install a dedicated distro like Volumio on any of my machines. Instead, I'm thinking of exporting the desktop or a web browser window from my "server" to a portable control client like an Android tablet since most if not all streaming audio services are web based.
I strongly prefer not to install a dedicated distro like Volumio on any of my machines. Instead, I'm thinking of exporting the desktop or a web browser window from my "server" to a portable control client like an Android tablet since most if not all streaming audio services are web based.
Take a look at dietpi, it has a very easy interface to install mpd and a number of other options as well.
In that case I'm a kind of old school. Although music source is consequent digital (ripped cd@flac) this wired music system is intended for "local listening in my men's room". Streaming is secondary, at most a little netradio.
What I have in mind is just a "tiny piece of technology" that transfers music from NAS to Amp.
What I have in mind is just a "tiny piece of technology" that transfers music from NAS to Amp.
I just looked at DietPi now, and I see it has a basic GUI to help you install optional components.
I can tell you that MPD can only show cover art when run in combination with a web server, and the only web server that I know for sure works in this role is lighttpd. So during installation I suggest you choose lighttpd as the preferred web server.
I can tell you that MPD can only show cover art when run in combination with a web server, and the only web server that I know for sure works in this role is lighttpd. So during installation I suggest you choose lighttpd as the preferred web server.
I don't have huge demands on the GUI, it's more the little things in handling.
E.g.: runeaudio library, scrolling album list, opening folder artist "M...", going back to list on...starting with "A". 😕 It would be fine to maintain the last picked point.
I'm not the guy keeps browsing the library, selecting songs, add them to playlist...more listen to a complete album, looking at cover, reading lyrics...really old-school in a modern way. These a the little things I love DS Audio for. No more and no less.
Okay, the new "audio toy" should came with gapless, bitpferfect, no klicks, etc.😀
I will try dietpi later that day.
E.g.: runeaudio library, scrolling album list, opening folder artist "M...", going back to list on...starting with "A". 😕 It would be fine to maintain the last picked point.
I'm not the guy keeps browsing the library, selecting songs, add them to playlist...more listen to a complete album, looking at cover, reading lyrics...really old-school in a modern way. These a the little things I love DS Audio for. No more and no less.
Okay, the new "audio toy" should came with gapless, bitpferfect, no klicks, etc.😀
I will try dietpi later that day.
Well, I successfully installed DietPi, connected via ssh and choose mpd, alsa, mympd for installation. Anything else?
I integrated my network drive (NAS), config sound card. How do I get access to mpd?
But these all seem to be Linux basics that have certainly been asked several times before. So I would try it by myself with a good guidance.
One more thing, couple of years ago I've built a windows audio system according this website (link is for linux project).
Are the necessary configs - shown on this site - still implemented in dietpi or do I have to set them manually? Especially "realtime kernel setting"?
I integrated my network drive (NAS), config sound card. How do I get access to mpd?
But these all seem to be Linux basics that have certainly been asked several times before. So I would try it by myself with a good guidance.
One more thing, couple of years ago I've built a windows audio system according this website (link is for linux project).
Are the necessary configs - shown on this site - still implemented in dietpi or do I have to set them manually? Especially "realtime kernel setting"?
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i) ensure mpd automatically starts at each boot up.
I believe you can set this in DietPi by running
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dietpi-configIf this doesn't work, I can give you the manual command later.
ii) change all necessary settings in the mpd configuration file /etc/mpd.conf
One of the main settings is to define the location of your music directory. Let's say your NAS is mounted at /mnt/nas (I understand you have set this up already) and the directory on your NAS which contains your music is "Oliver-MUSIC"
So your C1 sees the location of your music store as /mnt/nas/Oliver-MUSIC
Assuming DietPi includes the text editor nano, use this to open the configuration file -
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sudo nano /etc/mpd.confchange this line to -
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music_directory "/mnt/nas/Oliver-MUSIC"Also if you see "#" at the start of the line, remove it - otherwise this disables the configuration, and uses a default value instead.
Now prepare an MPD client app on your phone or tablet.
If you have Android, try MPDroid or MPD Control.
If you have iOS, try Soundirok
Soundirok on the App Store
or MPDPlayer
MPDPlayer on the App Store
I will check my notes when I finish work later tonight, to give you the other necessary settings.
First of all, thanks a lot for your assistance!
I don't want to just imitate everything you wrote down for me, I will understand it! And linux a is kind of..."different" for me. 😀
Okay, step by step...
I've checked "Autostart Options", there is no mpd option to choose.
I've thought to define it once that's sufficient. I had to do it again.
"/mnt/dsmusic" is right?
Audio: I've chosen hw:1,0
Are all the settings I've made in ALSA retained so I don't have to do it in mpd-config manually?
The NAS has an "audio user" for SMB access. Where do have to set "username" and "password"? Or do I have to create a new user in DietPi therefore?
Okay, so far...
I don't want to just imitate everything you wrote down for me, I will understand it! And linux a is kind of..."different" for me. 😀
Okay, step by step...
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If this doesn't work, I can give you the manual command later.I've checked "Autostart Options", there is no mpd option to choose.
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to define the location of your music directory. Let's say your NAS is mounted at /mnt/nas (I understand you have set this up already)I've thought to define it once that's sufficient. I had to do it again.
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music_directory "/mnt/nas/Oliver-MUSIC""/mnt/dsmusic" is right?
Audio: I've chosen hw:1,0
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Also if you see "#" at the start of the line, remove it - otherwise this disables the configuration, and uses a default value instead.Are all the settings I've made in ALSA retained so I don't have to do it in mpd-config manually?
The NAS has an "audio user" for SMB access. Where do have to set "username" and "password"? Or do I have to create a new user in DietPi therefore?
Okay, so far...
OK, here is the manual command which will set MPD to run at every bootup -
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sudo systemctl enable mpdYes, for DietPi to successfully access the NAS, it needs to know the Synology's:
IP address
SMB username
SMB password
name of shared folder (all Synology NAS's have a shared folder, which is assigned during the Synology setup).
So under "Network Options: NAS/Misc" you set up DietPi to access the NAS at /mnt/dsmusic ?
If so, go ahead and check if DietPi can successfully "see" the NAS, with this command -
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ls /mnt/dsmusic
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ls /mnt/dsmusic/My-musicIf not successful, I can give you the manual commands which will automatically mount your NAS each time DietPi boots.
Once DietPi can "see" your NAS and access its files, you still need to configure MPD to look in the correct location in the file system.
We will do that in the next stage. Linux text editors can be a little complicated, so I hope that DietPi includes the nice-to-use nano. You could check with -
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nano --help
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sudo systemctl enable mpdAutomatic startup…set!
Music directory: I followed DietPi's setup interface. Fill in IP, music directory, SMB username & password and the result was "/mnt/dsmusic/.
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ls /mnt/dsmusic/My-musicSide note: the directory structure is made up of several subdirectories (artist's folder for each album (tracks & cover)).
With this command I get the folder's first level (albums|sampler|singles|soundtracks).
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ls /mnt/dsmusic/albumsI get a list of all artist's subfolders.
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ls /mnt/dsmusic/albums/Yello\ -\ StellaThis one takes me straight to the tracks.
That would be generally great.