Hi,
Do I ask you for any objective fact as to why you like this or that better?
I do no such thing for the simple reason that I'm perfectly fine without any measured "proof", such "proof" has been shown to have only superficial bearing on what we actually perceive if any at all.
I do consider it objective reality to the extend (nothing less, nothing more) that after years of repeated testing I can say with confidence that many people can reliably hear said differences.
I certainly don't claim anything else but that and that's all that matters to me.
If that upsets the established dogma of the day then I really couldn't care less.
Actual "proof" can come later or can't come at all but I hate it when people tell me you can't hear any difference because you can't measure any.
That's just a ton of crap; years ago a resistor was just a resistor, nowadays no one's actually asking for proof anymore.
Guess they heard the difference all of sudden as well...Blah, blah, blah...
If you can't hear any difference now, will you be able to hear it after it's been proven that it's actually there?
So, what's the big deal?
Cheers,😉
Do I ask you for any objective fact as to why you like this or that better?
I do no such thing for the simple reason that I'm perfectly fine without any measured "proof", such "proof" has been shown to have only superficial bearing on what we actually perceive if any at all.
I do consider it objective reality to the extend (nothing less, nothing more) that after years of repeated testing I can say with confidence that many people can reliably hear said differences.
I certainly don't claim anything else but that and that's all that matters to me.
If that upsets the established dogma of the day then I really couldn't care less.
Actual "proof" can come later or can't come at all but I hate it when people tell me you can't hear any difference because you can't measure any.
That's just a ton of crap; years ago a resistor was just a resistor, nowadays no one's actually asking for proof anymore.
Guess they heard the difference all of sudden as well...Blah, blah, blah...
If you can't hear any difference now, will you be able to hear it after it's been proven that it's actually there?
So, what's the big deal?
Cheers,😉
The frequency response test should be performed with a reasonable length cable while connected to equipment. The resistance difference between the copper and silver is so small that it will be swamped by the equipment's numbers.
I may be a jackass, but just because I don't fool myself into imagining differences where there aren't any doesn't make me deaf.
Prune said:
I wouldn't say you're a jackass. More like a man with a mission, to prove that everybody else is just imaging things.
I'm not sure if this leaves you with any time to actually enjoy your stereo? 😉
A little bit, then another, makes it work
This is to Arthur-itis,
My hearing was damaged somewhat during the 70s driving farm equipment, season after season. No regulation back then on noise for us low life farm hands.
I can hear a difference in silver wire, most certainly silver plated copper wire. I get more of the high end. That's all. But it makes a big difference to me.
That small difference makes a big difference to other listeners too. And no need for pure silver, the plated variety is just fine.
This is to Arthur-itis,
My hearing was damaged somewhat during the 70s driving farm equipment, season after season. No regulation back then on noise for us low life farm hands.
I can hear a difference in silver wire, most certainly silver plated copper wire. I get more of the high end. That's all. But it makes a big difference to me.
That small difference makes a big difference to other listeners too. And no need for pure silver, the plated variety is just fine.
Hi,
And what makes you think it has to do with resistance?
You really think the guys that do this research are THAT silly?
And you aren't the same genius who put 10M equalizing resistors across a bunch of series high voltage caps either, right?
You wouldn't want my opinion on that, would you?
Cheers,😉
And what makes you think it has to do with resistance?
You really think the guys that do this research are THAT silly?
And you aren't the same genius who put 10M equalizing resistors across a bunch of series high voltage caps either, right?
You wouldn't want my opinion on that, would you?
Cheers,😉
fdegrove said:
This is a red herring, Frank.
Since I've never made any objective claims with regard to why I like this or that, there are no objective facts to ask for in the first place.
Ego and faith do not constitute objective proof.
Great. Save that for the people who have actually said you can't hear any difference because you can't measure any.
Sure they are. Perhaps not those among the blind faithful. But there are those asking for proof with regard to resistors as well.
Certainly if someone's not able to hear any difference, then establishing actual audibility won't necessarily change that person's ability to hear the difference.
That's what I'm wondering.
Why do some of those who subjectively perceive differences feel the need to assert those subjectively perceived differences as actual audible differneces and then become all defensive when they are asked to substantiate those objective assertions with objective proof?
It's really simple. If you make objective claims, be prepared to substantiate them with objective proof. And don't get your panties in a bunch because you're asked to substantiate them with objective proof.
If you're not prepared to substantiate your objective claims, don't make them in the first place.
Simple.
Similarly, if one doesn't make any objective claims and simply shares their subjective experiences, they shouldn't be harrassed to prove anything.
se
And that has what to do with my hearing? Once again, a non sequitur from fdegrove. As usual.
Your opinion has about as much worth as the product of a bowel evacuation.
Hi,
I wrote that silver sounds different from copper.
If that's an objective claim then how would you prove that one?
Get real instead of just trying to see "objective" claims where it suits you.
Just because you're in the habit of fishing for claims wherever you see fit doesn't mean everyone else is waiting for "proof".
If that's what you want why don't you go asking for proof to people that are capable and properly equipped of delivering it as I've suggested in the past already?
Cheers, 😉
I wrote that silver sounds different from copper.
If that's an objective claim then how would you prove that one?
Get real instead of just trying to see "objective" claims where it suits you.
Just because you're in the habit of fishing for claims wherever you see fit doesn't mean everyone else is waiting for "proof".
If that's what you want why don't you go asking for proof to people that are capable and properly equipped of delivering it as I've suggested in the past already?
Cheers, 😉
fdegrove said:
I think you need to go back and review this discussion.
Unless you're intentionally mischaracterizing it, in which case forget it, we'll just end it here.
se
Hi,
I don't think so, not in my nature.
I do notice you're defending some issues that weren't addressed to you though.
OTOH, it being 7.00 am over here and having seen enough Dickens characters for one night already, I suppose it would be wise to give it a rest.
Ciao, 😉
I don't think so, not in my nature.
I do notice you're defending some issues that weren't addressed to you though.
OTOH, it being 7.00 am over here and having seen enough Dickens characters for one night already, I suppose it would be wise to give it a rest.
Ciao, 😉
fdegrove said:
yeah right ....
"i'm a human !! , i can spot defferences that no measuremen equipment can!! , whaaaaaaaaaa"
did u guys ever wonder why its silver and not other type of metal ?
well , i'll tell ya , its because silver looks good 😉
nobody claims that using a telephone wire to connect speakers sounds good , or maybe using an antenna cable 🙂D ) .
silver looks nice and shiny - thats why it "sounds good"
gold is too expensive even for those freaks (but also looks good 😉). and i bet if one of "them" had a golden wire he would claim that it sounds fantastic , the treble is clearer and the bass is deeper and the sound is transparent........ (with bad cables they can see the sound waves............... hahaha) .....whatever
well , i'll tell ya , its because silver looks good 😉
nobody claims that using a telephone wire to connect speakers sounds good , or maybe using an antenna cable 🙂D ) .
silver looks nice and shiny - thats why it "sounds good"
gold is too expensive even for those freaks (but also looks good 😉). and i bet if one of "them" had a golden wire he would claim that it sounds fantastic , the treble is clearer and the bass is deeper and the sound is transparent........ (with bad cables they can see the sound waves............... hahaha) .....whatever
sss said:
That's not exactly accurate. There are those using gold, they like it, but there is also a decent contingent who are using extension cords as speaker cables, search the cable asylum on audio asylum, and you'll find a large number of posts. And they are F@%@$% hideous. The rubber used in SJOOW extension wire is actually pretty good sounding.
badman said:
thanx but i rather spend my limited free time on something else 😉
ps
theres nothing wrong with being stupid , those guys can do and hear whatever they want
sss said:
So, you'd rather post negativity than even run a 2 minute search? Lots of people post/attend there that are worth talking to. And to insult a groups intelligence after refusing to look at what the referenced members of that group actually said... speaks for itself.
sss said:
Yes but you can also use nice-looking and nice-feeling jackets on a zinc wire and that will also look good thus sound good, hah!
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