Don't want to appear rude, but your system is way too basic to justify any cable/connector luxuries. Such may still be audible but any effort or expenditure is best invested elsewhere.
Otherwise, great job in attracting all the cable trolls.
Well, that's convincing!😀
It does help one's understanding to engage with the actual arguments rather than the imaginary ones.
Are the flames waiting patiently in line or being prepared for their debut in the performance? Unclear which word you meant to use.calvert73 said:
We do switch our audio systems on, unlike those who merely look at theirs and show it off to their friends. Strangely, we find that audio systems obey the laws of physics and the resultant engineering principles.
Constructive?
No flames just a few warm embers!
I was going to post this, so lets see, although I have added an imaginary item simply because the thought of one without the other is odd.
If you listen to a lot of interconnects it's easy to come to the conclusion that they all sound much of a muchness and there's little to choose between them. There are a few that truly stand out, one in particular for me was a jaw dropping experience, it sounded more like a substantial amplifier upgrade, that is until it was tried with a Naim pre-power amplifier and the improvement previously heard with other amplifiers evaporated. Now this was pretty much in
Line with the Naim party line, in fact they used to supply a bit of 3 core mains cable as an interconnect for the NAP250, so it's interesting to note that now Naim have started to use Copper 4mm plugs and sockets instead of Brass previously used.
Troll, funny I thought the naysayers were the Trolls
No flames just a few warm embers!
I was going to post this, so lets see, although I have added an imaginary item simply because the thought of one without the other is odd.
If you listen to a lot of interconnects it's easy to come to the conclusion that they all sound much of a muchness and there's little to choose between them. There are a few that truly stand out, one in particular for me was a jaw dropping experience, it sounded more like a substantial amplifier upgrade, that is until it was tried with a Naim pre-power amplifier and the improvement previously heard with other amplifiers evaporated. Now this was pretty much in
Line with the Naim party line, in fact they used to supply a bit of 3 core mains cable as an interconnect for the NAP250, so it's interesting to note that now Naim have started to use Copper 4mm plugs and sockets instead of Brass previously used.
Troll, funny I thought the naysayers were the Trolls
Any competent electronic system design relies on measurements, to think otherwise is audiophile foolishness, though very few audiofools actually work at designing real products in the real world, they just (as DF96 as pointed out) play at tweaking cables and such like, then make wonderful claims about the improvements...
OK I give up, wish I had never started this thread..... As for a "basic system" it is what fits where I need it. I like the receiver because I cannot afford a KT-917. I like the amp and its sound and that it has optical, usb, and spidf inputs. The speakers sound the way I want them to, and most of all the fit the area I have for them. I am sorry I do not have a nose bleeding expensive system, but it does what I want and I am in it for less than 2K including the phonograph, its tube preamp, and the cartridge. Since I have the time on my hands, I would like to make them myself and not buy the cables, what does it matter? I did not mean to cause a flame war. This probably will be my last post I am sorry for creating a mess.
You have not created a mess, this is pretty normal for DIYAudio, you have prompted debate. And even if some don't agree, debate and looking at others points of view is healthy, even if you don't agree (as you may have noticed plenty "'don't agree'🙂)
It doesn't matter at all, provided you are happy to accept lots of work to achieve a cable which is significantly inferior in important electrical characteristics to almost any cheap commercial cable. Up to you.Merrisasjc said:
You asked a question. We gave some answers. If you only wanted one answer then you need to ask your question on a site where everyone believes the same.
DF yes I could buy some cheap cables. Yes I could buy over priced monster cables. But I won't. I have a set of your cheap cables that you like and will compare them to the ones I make. If I like the sound better from inferior brass interconnects with copper cables to copper interconnects silver plated to pure silver wire I will concede you are right. But something tells me you have an opinion from supposition, and have not even listened to silver interconnects. However wrong your opinion may be I will support your right to have a opinion not based on facts, trial or error.
Hey if they work and I like them to what you suggest maybe I will make another pair if I have enough left over supplies and send them to you to try out.
Hey if they work and I like them to what you suggest maybe I will make another pair if I have enough left over supplies and send them to you to try out.
Try the comparison double blind (it's very easy to do). If you don't do an ears-only test, I guarantee you that you'll hear a difference whether or not it's there.
And that's how b******* propagates.
And that's how b******* propagates.
Yeah don't take it personally. A thick skin is often needed around here but frankly only one or two of the negative comments were truly directed your way. Keep asking questions and you choose who to listen to and who to ignore.
No. If I am right then on a double-blind test two competently built cables will be indistinguishable. A DIY cable may sound different but entirely due to unrecognised problems, such as poor screening.Merrisasjc said:
I have never knowingly listened to silver interconnects, or magic crystals, or Bybee demons. I don't feel I am missing anything significant. I don't play with cables; I design and build circuits. In order to do that I learn how circuits work, including EM theory. If silver made a difference than that would mean that circuit theory is false, which would mean that nobody would be able to design circuits which would mean that our modern world of electronic technology would not exist. It does exist.
Then you really do not know what you are talking about do you. I would checkout reality before you put down something you are actually clueless about.
"I have never knowingly listened to silver interconnects, or magic crystals, or Bybee demons."
oh come on DF! then realy can you poke at him for this?
not to be an A hole but.....how do you know man?
and, isnt theory a...... well, theory?
now ask me if i belive myself ill say no. but ask me if i have been wrong before ill say yes.
oh come on DF! then realy can you poke at him for this?
not to be an A hole but.....how do you know man?
and, isnt theory a...... well, theory?
now ask me if i belive myself ill say no. but ask me if i have been wrong before ill say yes.
I'm pretty sure theory in this case is used in the scientific sense: Supported by all available evidence so that physical laws can be derived from them.
A scientific theory is the basis from which EVERYTHING else is derived, without a theory you've got nothing. They provide the background and explain why the laws of physics are the way they are.
A lot of us on here have worked on quite challenging projects, where surprisingly cables have to be specified and tested, often to quite harsh levels, so what we say is not from some myths we have picked up over time, but engineering practice in developing and creating a system that works, and works within specification and environmental requirements.
There have been no explanations at why silver cables sound better, just the usual hand waving, that the treble is brighter!!!
Yes, it is. A "theory" is a hypothesis that has been repeatedly confirmed and may provisionally be taken as true within its stated limits. EM theory is a perfect example- in two hundred years of experiments, it has shown 100% agreement with experiment, its predictions have been 100% confirmed, and the use of this theory has allowed development of every modern technology, including the computer that some use to type amazingly silly things.
If people make claims that run counter to that theory, they are obligated to show unassailably good data. If they have none, they cannot be taken seriously and may be safely classified with the folks who claim alien abductions and anal probing.
This is really on the level of claims of perpetual motion, though less lucrative.
But there is some real research published showing that silver sulphide (the black tarnish) is a very non-linear conductor. It is believed that silver metal nano-tubes form and the fuse, leading to abrupt changes in contact resistance with applied voltage. This is distortion, so yes it can sound "brighter"
this hypothesis appears to show a mechanism for a corruption of the cables performance, i.e. a bad cable.
If that bad cable sounds different, then I would be looking for evidence to confirm which cable was performing properly.
I would certainly not adopt a cable, or amplifier, just because it sounds different.
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