Is that the B&C DE10 on the ME10 horn? How do you like that combination? What other compression (or other) tweeters have you tried?
Yes. It's OK. I am not a fan of compression horns but the phenolic driver ain't bad. I had to put a 10 ohm resistor in series with it so my ears weren't bleeding. But it seems to be integrated nicely now with lil buddy. I've got it crossed over really high at 12db; can't recall exactly but somewhere like 6K.
>>> I've got it crossed over really high at 12db; can't recall exactly but somewhere like 6K.
Ah HA! Thanks! Did you change the crossover since. I read somewhere it was lower (around 2.5k or so)... I am considering the lil buddies in small OBs too but played full out and crossed over around 5 or 6k... how has your crossover point emerged over time.
TIA!
Godzilla
Ah HA! Thanks! Did you change the crossover since. I read somewhere it was lower (around 2.5k or so)... I am considering the lil buddies in small OBs too but played full out and crossed over around 5 or 6k... how has your crossover point emerged over time.
TIA!
Godzilla
Yup,
*Moderator* intolerance means *WE* are the losers here !!!
So Moderators. How's about him being allowed back ???
Cheers ........ Graham.
*Moderator* intolerance means *WE* are the losers here !!!
So Moderators. How's about him being allowed back ???
Cheers ........ Graham.
Right on Graham!!
I second the motion....
*WE* are the losers here!!!
Moderators! Bring him back!
I second the motion....
*WE* are the losers here!!!
Moderators! Bring him back!
Hi Graham,
Members are not banned lightly. Nor are they banned for being disliked by any moderators or members either. I am pretty sure if you look at all the history, you will see this. What you won't see are any private communication between members and moderators.
Members are only banned when they refuse to follow the same rules that we all follow. A ban does not occur without dialog either. So, a ban is the last and final action that is taken. Bans occur only after the moderating team talks it over.
Hi Ky9,
In every case of a ban, the actions of the banned member were more negative than positive. It's a case of the little good not being worth the other things that went with it. I'm talking in general terms here, not specifically Magnetar.
People,
The only reason most of you can post and get reasonable responses is the amount of work that goes into keeping some members that ruin things for everyone else in line, or out of the forum. There are other places that have little to no moderation. They are like the wild west! New members get shut down and insulted. Experts get abused. Do you want that? I don't think so or you wouldn't be here to begin with.
All we enforce are good manners and civil tongues. Just read the rules of the place. No one enjoys banning a member either. Often, the banned member will force our hand too. It's easy to complain about the "establishment" (am I dating myself here?). Before you do take up arms, try to investigate the matter first. Also, beware of the "poor me" syndrome. This is the most common noise we here after a member pushes themselves into a ban situation.
Believe it or not, none of us enjoy banning people. We are only trying to prevent harm coming to this forum.
-Chris
Members are not banned lightly. Nor are they banned for being disliked by any moderators or members either. I am pretty sure if you look at all the history, you will see this. What you won't see are any private communication between members and moderators.
Members are only banned when they refuse to follow the same rules that we all follow. A ban does not occur without dialog either. So, a ban is the last and final action that is taken. Bans occur only after the moderating team talks it over.
Hi Ky9,
Actually, no you aren't.
In every case of a ban, the actions of the banned member were more negative than positive. It's a case of the little good not being worth the other things that went with it. I'm talking in general terms here, not specifically Magnetar.
People,
The only reason most of you can post and get reasonable responses is the amount of work that goes into keeping some members that ruin things for everyone else in line, or out of the forum. There are other places that have little to no moderation. They are like the wild west! New members get shut down and insulted. Experts get abused. Do you want that? I don't think so or you wouldn't be here to begin with.
All we enforce are good manners and civil tongues. Just read the rules of the place. No one enjoys banning a member either. Often, the banned member will force our hand too. It's easy to complain about the "establishment" (am I dating myself here?). Before you do take up arms, try to investigate the matter first. Also, beware of the "poor me" syndrome. This is the most common noise we here after a member pushes themselves into a ban situation.
Believe it or not, none of us enjoy banning people. We are only trying to prevent harm coming to this forum.
-Chris
And when we members think that the Moderators are wrong, or share responsibility for actually escalating situations ?
Its like ' He who controls the microphone - controls the stage '
You moderators had your say, but denied Magnetar his.
Its like ' He who controls the microphone - controls the stage '
You moderators had your say, but denied Magnetar his.
Hi Graham,
We (the moderators) do not always agree. There are a number of different nationalities and backgrounds represented. However, as a group, I think we are right 99.9% of the time. Decisions are made by considering facts, not by how we feel about a certain member.
In the course of our discussions, we may come across additional information that is confidential. What a member may say in a private email to us may solidify our decision to ban them, but we are not going to make those private details public. This does put us at a disadvantage if that member then decides to misreport our dealing with "him". That has happened.
Just the situation where we will not, and can not report everything to the forum can give you the sense that some things go on that you are not aware of. Yup, that's true. By the very nature of keeping private conversations from being common knowledge will create this. We are not about to reveal a private email to the rest of the membership, just as I will never do that to an email I get. You can not have total privacy and a completely open decision process. Believe me when I say that any comments we may make would be heavily in a departed member's favour. We don't share the dirt. Even if that same member edits our communications to "him" and posts or forwards them to other people. Now that is dirty pool.
The group of moderators is diverse enough to keep us honest. There is nothing but the love of the forum in this for us. I honestly can not see any advantage beyond keeping a professional tone here in banning anyone. Not personal. Not monetary. Not power.
-Chris
We try not to make mistakes, and you are welcome to think we erred. That is your opinion and you are allowed to have it.
We (the moderators) do not always agree. There are a number of different nationalities and backgrounds represented. However, as a group, I think we are right 99.9% of the time. Decisions are made by considering facts, not by how we feel about a certain member.
In the course of our discussions, we may come across additional information that is confidential. What a member may say in a private email to us may solidify our decision to ban them, but we are not going to make those private details public. This does put us at a disadvantage if that member then decides to misreport our dealing with "him". That has happened.
Just the situation where we will not, and can not report everything to the forum can give you the sense that some things go on that you are not aware of. Yup, that's true. By the very nature of keeping private conversations from being common knowledge will create this. We are not about to reveal a private email to the rest of the membership, just as I will never do that to an email I get. You can not have total privacy and a completely open decision process. Believe me when I say that any comments we may make would be heavily in a departed member's favour. We don't share the dirt. Even if that same member edits our communications to "him" and posts or forwards them to other people. Now that is dirty pool.
The group of moderators is diverse enough to keep us honest. There is nothing but the love of the forum in this for us. I honestly can not see any advantage beyond keeping a professional tone here in banning anyone. Not personal. Not monetary. Not power.
Huh? Not by a long shot. Read his posts. The only things you don't know about this situation are things he would not want you to know.
-Chris
anatech said:
Graham Maynard said:
I agree with Chris. On most well managed forums (and I rate diyaudio one of the better managed ones) banning a member is something that is done when all other options have failed.
Moderators do an honarary job. They are chosen via a collective process and becuase of their maturity, quality of the posts, and passion for the subject.
I dont know the exact circumstances of why Magnetar was banned but if it was so I trust the Moderators have thought long and hard before doing this.
Guys, I'm not wanting to argue here, or put my own neck on the line, but did you ever sit back and take a look at how this problem became exacerbated to the point where Magnetar (and I) thought it was you Moderators who originally overstepped the Mark, and that everything which followed thereafter was incited by 'Moderation' at a personal level.
Maybe moderation should be formalised on an *impersonal* tick list basis with a specific form e-mailed to any offender as way of warning.
Magnetars posts are all there in Texas - he had perfectly good posts removed !
I too would have been *furious* with the Moderators involved !
How dare they remove posts which were not *unreasonable* !
Is asking questions on aspects about something another diyAudio member has written unreasonable ?
Maybe the same ticklist should be presented in a thread when any post is sent to Texas ! Instead of it just disappearing with the public membership believing that the offender did something really bad.
Seriously - go check Magnetars posts which were sent to Texas !!!
For this reason I think there should concilliation, with Magnetar being offered the chance to rejoin, if he still wants to !
Since that date when Magnetar was banned I have felt that members of diyAudio are there at Moderator's discretion only, not the membership's.
This is the last post I shall be making about this, for there are far more important things in life.
Everyone can lose their temper - but everyone can still contribute - and it is only those who willfully cause harm to others who I cannot FORGIVE.
Cheers .......... Graham.
Maybe moderation should be formalised on an *impersonal* tick list basis with a specific form e-mailed to any offender as way of warning.
Magnetars posts are all there in Texas - he had perfectly good posts removed !
I too would have been *furious* with the Moderators involved !
How dare they remove posts which were not *unreasonable* !
Is asking questions on aspects about something another diyAudio member has written unreasonable ?
Maybe the same ticklist should be presented in a thread when any post is sent to Texas ! Instead of it just disappearing with the public membership believing that the offender did something really bad.
Seriously - go check Magnetars posts which were sent to Texas !!!
For this reason I think there should concilliation, with Magnetar being offered the chance to rejoin, if he still wants to !
Since that date when Magnetar was banned I have felt that members of diyAudio are there at Moderator's discretion only, not the membership's.
This is the last post I shall be making about this, for there are far more important things in life.
Everyone can lose their temper - but everyone can still contribute - and it is only those who willfully cause harm to others who I cannot FORGIVE.
Cheers .......... Graham.
Hi Graham,
I honestly haven't followed the Magnetar issue, so I speak from experience only. You are certainly welcome to have your own ideas and opinions without any danger or reprisals from the moderating team. At this point in time I know that Magnetar should have been banned. You probably do not know the entire story. The things I said about personal communication apply here.
We are not about to make taking action any more difficult than it already is. A ban is a group decision. Removing posts is a process that takes work and we do go by the rules of the forum to decide when to do this. Also, if a post is repeating a point previously made a few times, we'll probably remove it. That constitutes badgering. If a member ignores direction from a moderator, that or those posts may be removed. Basically, posts that are disruptive to the flow of a thread. Now, if we were to do ask you suggest, all that would happen is that every point would become an opportunity for an argument. This would paralyze any actions and the forum would descend into chaos. Your suggestion will not be practical to carry out.
I have had some of my posts removed. Those removed generally were perfectly fine. This occurs after a post being responded to is removed. The reason is that my posts were completely irrelevant after the offending post was removed. I wondered sometimes as to the reason, but certainly didn't bother to get upset about it. This has occurred both before I became a moderator, and more often after. Seems to me that moderators are subject to the same rules as any other normal member. Actually, being a moderator is more restrictive than being a normal member. We have to be more careful how we treat other members and also what we get involved in.
Let me say this another way. Moderators are simply forum members. We exist only because there are some members who can not seem to follow the rules and may have very little common curtsey towards others. We are charged with keeping the peace, and do so because we feel this forum is worth our free time to look after. Much like a gardener pulling weeds. Then there are the BOTS and other people / things that need to be cleaned out. With this responsibility comes private communication with other members. They expect to have privacy, as do we with our communication to any member. So we are in a position where we do learn confidential things on occasion. We can not reveal those things obviously, but you are attacking us in a way where the only defense would be to reveal those private communications. That is a no win situation, and rather hitting below the belt actually.
Did you know that we also receive threats? Threats against the forum, threats against ourselves. We sometimes get incredibly abusive emails as well! You shouldn't be surprised really. So the reality is that we try to keep this place functional for our members. We try very hard to keep peace so that new members will stay, so that older members will stay and professionals find helping others worth their time. We interfere as little as possible to give the members time to cool things off.
So, Graham, what the devil more do you want from us? I doubt strongly that you would enjoy being in a moderator's shoes. One thing you would find very quickly is how restrictive taking action truly is.
Sorry for the long post, but your attitude ticks me off a bit. Step back and have a look at the big picture please.
-Chris
I honestly haven't followed the Magnetar issue, so I speak from experience only. You are certainly welcome to have your own ideas and opinions without any danger or reprisals from the moderating team. At this point in time I know that Magnetar should have been banned. You probably do not know the entire story. The things I said about personal communication apply here.
We are not about to make taking action any more difficult than it already is. A ban is a group decision. Removing posts is a process that takes work and we do go by the rules of the forum to decide when to do this. Also, if a post is repeating a point previously made a few times, we'll probably remove it. That constitutes badgering. If a member ignores direction from a moderator, that or those posts may be removed. Basically, posts that are disruptive to the flow of a thread. Now, if we were to do ask you suggest, all that would happen is that every point would become an opportunity for an argument. This would paralyze any actions and the forum would descend into chaos. Your suggestion will not be practical to carry out.
I have had some of my posts removed. Those removed generally were perfectly fine. This occurs after a post being responded to is removed. The reason is that my posts were completely irrelevant after the offending post was removed. I wondered sometimes as to the reason, but certainly didn't bother to get upset about it. This has occurred both before I became a moderator, and more often after. Seems to me that moderators are subject to the same rules as any other normal member. Actually, being a moderator is more restrictive than being a normal member. We have to be more careful how we treat other members and also what we get involved in.
Now, that is a truly unfortunate statement. It just goes to show how little you have understood from my previous posts.
Let me say this another way. Moderators are simply forum members. We exist only because there are some members who can not seem to follow the rules and may have very little common curtsey towards others. We are charged with keeping the peace, and do so because we feel this forum is worth our free time to look after. Much like a gardener pulling weeds. Then there are the BOTS and other people / things that need to be cleaned out. With this responsibility comes private communication with other members. They expect to have privacy, as do we with our communication to any member. So we are in a position where we do learn confidential things on occasion. We can not reveal those things obviously, but you are attacking us in a way where the only defense would be to reveal those private communications. That is a no win situation, and rather hitting below the belt actually.
Did you know that we also receive threats? Threats against the forum, threats against ourselves. We sometimes get incredibly abusive emails as well! You shouldn't be surprised really. So the reality is that we try to keep this place functional for our members. We try very hard to keep peace so that new members will stay, so that older members will stay and professionals find helping others worth their time. We interfere as little as possible to give the members time to cool things off.
So, Graham, what the devil more do you want from us? I doubt strongly that you would enjoy being in a moderator's shoes. One thing you would find very quickly is how restrictive taking action truly is.
Sorry for the long post, but your attitude ticks me off a bit. Step back and have a look at the big picture please.
-Chris
Hi Chris,
Threats can be provoked by someone else's interpretation of words not intended as a threat; or a literal threat can be perceived where 'blasting off' was the mere intention !
This is why I suggested that all discipliniary action be formalised by way of a universal document which puts no Moderator at risk for being abused at a personal level, and thus without risk for there being any behind the scenes escalation, which you claim has been specifically pertinent in some cases !
Get rid of this risk for misinterpretation via personal contact, and the long drawn out defense of positions (escalating arguments) which will most likely follow.
Surely you can't be peeved by that suggestion ?
Cheers ...... Graham.
Threats can be provoked by someone else's interpretation of words not intended as a threat; or a literal threat can be perceived where 'blasting off' was the mere intention !
This is why I suggested that all discipliniary action be formalised by way of a universal document which puts no Moderator at risk for being abused at a personal level, and thus without risk for there being any behind the scenes escalation, which you claim has been specifically pertinent in some cases !
Get rid of this risk for misinterpretation via personal contact, and the long drawn out defense of positions (escalating arguments) which will most likely follow.
Surely you can't be peeved by that suggestion ?
Cheers ...... Graham.
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