it is! but maybe parts express don't sell it any more
here one more quote:
"On extreme upper harmonic richness or tintinnabulation, Sven's 4-inch tweeter of choice does not exhibit the same stratospheric shimmer as Franck Tchang's resonator-enhanced Dynaudio Esotar clone in the ASI Tango or Stavros Danos' Raal ribbon in the Aries Cerat Gladius. To conjure up an image of minute low-level rustling which constantly changes location—think Pat Metheny's famous Offramp track—this doesn't diminish the acuity of tiny batwing flutters. It simply affects the endlessness and energy of particularly cymbal and triangle decays. Instead of cool platinum brilliance, the mood of Boenicke's treble is just a tad more burnished or heavy. Minuscule clicketty clacks of shakers or other percussive noises are very keen and perfectly anchored in three dimensions"
and I think that Ebaen hasn't listen to electronic and techno music, that is a highlight on this TB, new dimensions, I would say not 3D, but 4D
for me the best 2 widerange units are Coral Flat 5II and this flatconed TB, I havent heard Lowther, Supravox, Voxativ or Feastrex lotus group drivers, but from what I've heard those 2 are for me the best, altough the TB is midhigh modul, and has nothing to do with classic FR sound as you know it- it's a new experience for the senses 🙂
PS: a crappy midbass unit is turned into superb unit with these, a phenomenon that I can't explain
PPS: here is a proof that I don't lie
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1316358386069.47536.1143999169&type=3
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1070049828509.11352.1143999169&type=3
here one more quote:
"On extreme upper harmonic richness or tintinnabulation, Sven's 4-inch tweeter of choice does not exhibit the same stratospheric shimmer as Franck Tchang's resonator-enhanced Dynaudio Esotar clone in the ASI Tango or Stavros Danos' Raal ribbon in the Aries Cerat Gladius. To conjure up an image of minute low-level rustling which constantly changes location—think Pat Metheny's famous Offramp track—this doesn't diminish the acuity of tiny batwing flutters. It simply affects the endlessness and energy of particularly cymbal and triangle decays. Instead of cool platinum brilliance, the mood of Boenicke's treble is just a tad more burnished or heavy. Minuscule clicketty clacks of shakers or other percussive noises are very keen and perfectly anchored in three dimensions"
and I think that Ebaen hasn't listen to electronic and techno music, that is a highlight on this TB, new dimensions, I would say not 3D, but 4D
for me the best 2 widerange units are Coral Flat 5II and this flatconed TB, I havent heard Lowther, Supravox, Voxativ or Feastrex lotus group drivers, but from what I've heard those 2 are for me the best, altough the TB is midhigh modul, and has nothing to do with classic FR sound as you know it- it's a new experience for the senses 🙂
PS: a crappy midbass unit is turned into superb unit with these, a phenomenon that I can't explain
PPS: here is a proof that I don't lie
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1316358386069.47536.1143999169&type=3
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1070049828509.11352.1143999169&type=3
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I belive you.
I will look these drivers up and measure and listen to them.
If they are that good they could be used in a active system with my dsp.
can you give a link to the drivers?
Thanks for the information,i´ll be back.
right now i cant afford these i have three other projects going on.
Regards PK
I will look these drivers up and measure and listen to them.
If they are that good they could be used in a active system with my dsp.
can you give a link to the drivers?
Thanks for the information,i´ll be back.
right now i cant afford these i have three other projects going on.
Regards PK
yes active would be superb, here where you can purchase:
Tang Band W3-1797 - Lautsprecherbau von blue planet acoustic
Tangband Breitbandlautsprecher W3-1797S
here's the nearfield measurement, on 10kHz is cone breakup, but nothing bothering, and that dip at 3200Hz vanishes when you distance the mic
but graphs cannot tell how the sound is 🙂 and please don't ask about measurements, beacuse I'm noob for that, those have made my friend
here from Hobby Hifi
if you need info about SLS Design I have researched the details 😉 😀
my apologies for offtopic
Tang Band W3-1797 - Lautsprecherbau von blue planet acoustic
Tangband Breitbandlautsprecher W3-1797S
here's the nearfield measurement, on 10kHz is cone breakup, but nothing bothering, and that dip at 3200Hz vanishes when you distance the mic
but graphs cannot tell how the sound is 🙂 and please don't ask about measurements, beacuse I'm noob for that, those have made my friend
here from Hobby Hifi
if you need info about SLS Design I have researched the details 😉 😀
my apologies for offtopic
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Hi!
Has anyone used the 10F as a midrange? I like the measurements, FR, sens, size...but how does it sound as a midrange (500-3k)?
Thanks
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Has anyone used the 10F as a midrange? I like the measurements, FR, sens, size...but how does it sound as a midrange (500-3k)?
Thanks
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does anyone yet have any experience with the 10f/8424 as fullrange...? Seems like OP question never has been answered 🙂 Does it make good effortless bass at low-medium volumes in bedroom? i have the tc9fd10 which is similar and like the signature, but find the bass a bit muddy if played too loud, even within Xmax... so i would guess a harder fiberglass cone would help quite a bit!
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Yes. Very smooth. No bottom, and the top is rolled off. The 10F/8414 (?) is closer to a FR.
The 8424 is officially a midrang eand it is very good at that.
The 8424 does fit into a very small optimum miniOnken.
http://www.planet10-hifi.com/downloads/nScan-Ken-1v0-071115.pdf
Frugel-HornLite might be able to extract some measure of bass.
dave
The 8424 is officially a midrang eand it is very good at that.
The 8424 does fit into a very small optimum miniOnken.
http://www.planet10-hifi.com/downloads/nScan-Ken-1v0-071115.pdf
Frugel-HornLite might be able to extract some measure of bass.
dave
thanks, planet10, for your opinion!
To be honest, i'm more concerned with effortlessness or «tightness» than quantity of bass.
I own a few 3 inches drivers, and bass quantity is sufficient for me for intended use.
The other day, i tried for fun a fountek fr58ex, ran fullrange, and at low volume , within xmax or so, could'nt believe how fast and agile it was (bass reflex or closed box), even though, distortion is high as you lower in frequency. In fact, i think it was the most effortless driver i heard ever, though you have to consider my moderate experience with speakers. not hifi per standard, but quite enjoyable in that regard. For example, bells sound...well..clear as a bell! If i can get my hands on a driver that is somewhat close but with sort of tc9fd10 strengths, i would be happy!
i would guess what makes the 58ex that particular is the virtually unflexible cone and strong motor (?)...it does have it's drawback though....but i have yet to properly mount them.
Aside from more supple cone fabric, the tc9fd10 seems to have also a thick rubber surround, one of the hardest to touch i have seen....maybe it flexes the cone at higher displacement...i'm not certain.....don't know if the SS 10f uses the same surround...
To be honest, i'm more concerned with effortlessness or «tightness» than quantity of bass.
I own a few 3 inches drivers, and bass quantity is sufficient for me for intended use.
The other day, i tried for fun a fountek fr58ex, ran fullrange, and at low volume , within xmax or so, could'nt believe how fast and agile it was (bass reflex or closed box), even though, distortion is high as you lower in frequency. In fact, i think it was the most effortless driver i heard ever, though you have to consider my moderate experience with speakers. not hifi per standard, but quite enjoyable in that regard. For example, bells sound...well..clear as a bell! If i can get my hands on a driver that is somewhat close but with sort of tc9fd10 strengths, i would be happy!
i would guess what makes the 58ex that particular is the virtually unflexible cone and strong motor (?)...it does have it's drawback though....but i have yet to properly mount them.
Aside from more supple cone fabric, the tc9fd10 seems to have also a thick rubber surround, one of the hardest to touch i have seen....maybe it flexes the cone at higher displacement...i'm not certain.....don't know if the SS 10f uses the same surround...
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FR58EX is a nice driver. It and FR58EX have advantage of an alumninum dust cap that acts like a dome tweeter so it can get very clear highs. If you get a chance, try the 8ohm TG9FD fiberglass. It’s 95% of a 10F/8424 for 20% the price.
But one of the best use of 10F is in a FAST with a woofer assist.
10F/8424 & RS225-8 FAST / WAW Ref Monitor
But one of the best use of 10F is in a FAST with a woofer assist.
10F/8424 & RS225-8 FAST / WAW Ref Monitor
If your looking for “effortless” sound then I’ve had good experiences with putting the 10F/8424G02 in a front horn. Below is the response I get after EQ...black being the summed response of all off-axis measurements up to 60 degrees off-axis. So a good power response into the room.
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Yes. Very smooth. No bottom, and the top is rolled off. The 10F/8414 (?) is closer to a FR.
The 8424 is officially a midrang eand it is very good at that.
The 8424 does fit into a very small optimum miniOnken.
http://www.planet10-hifi.com/downloads/nScan-Ken-1v0-071115.pdf
Frugel-HornLite might be able to extract some measure of bass.
dave
thank you, how would you compare the 10Fs to the fr88ex? i think you have experience with it....? is the 10F less revealing than the fountek? The fr58ex i have is certainly the most revealing driver (fullrange) i have ever heard, despite not having much bass quantity ,when not push to high SPL of course.
Too start, nearly 4x the price (when i got them). The Fountek has some ringing up top, but better base (teh little miniOnken goes to about 130 Hz). So depends.
The FR88ex was an interim measure between FF85k and FF85wk. We prefer it, especially after being tarted up, the much newer Alpair 5.2 (FF85wKeN vrs A5.2eN) is overall maybe a bit better — jury is still out on that.
dave
Well, its only taken 8-years but I finally have a pair of 10F/8414G10.
Currently using them in my Frugelhorn Lite boxes, working well.
I think a FAST project is on the cards, probably with that Scanspeak 26W as used in the ScanFast Hobby Hifi design.
Currently using them in my Frugelhorn Lite boxes, working well.
I think a FAST project is on the cards, probably with that Scanspeak 26W as used in the ScanFast Hobby Hifi design.
The 10F/8424 and 8414 are interchangeable as far as the FAST design with RS225 is concerned. They sound superb together and the design is well tested and liked by all.
10F/8424 & RS225-8 FAST / WAW Ref Monitor
Even a TL version is available for deep bass so you won’t even need a subwoofer.
10F/8424 & RS225-8 FAST / WAW Ref Monitor
Even a TL version is available for deep bass so you won’t even need a subwoofer.
Certainly seem to work better than the Veravox 3 drivers I was using before, maybe that just the 10F drivers being a bit more linear and possibly a lower fs. I think the Veravox drivers I measured at around 130Hz, quite a bit above the spec.
I had to enlarge the cutout to fit the 10F in but the overall size is smaller than the Veravox drivers as they have an additional face plate.
System by Robert Seymour, on Flickr
System by Robert Seymour, on Flickr
System by Robert Seymour, on Flickr
System by Robert Seymour, on Flickr
Hi!
I searched for the 10F/8414G10 here in Athens to make a FAST project after reading Troels design!
Can you tell me what's the difference over the other 10F?
Here right now i found only 10F/8424G00 and 10F/4424G00.
Actually I already have the 22W/8534G00 and i want to make this : ScanSpeak-3W-Discovery without the tweeter.
Another thought is to make a close box speaker with 2x8' woofers. Whats i must consider to select 8' woofers for the 10F?
Is it posible?
Thank you.
I searched for the 10F/8414G10 here in Athens to make a FAST project after reading Troels design!
Can you tell me what's the difference over the other 10F?
Here right now i found only 10F/8424G00 and 10F/4424G00.
Actually I already have the 22W/8534G00 and i want to make this : ScanSpeak-3W-Discovery without the tweeter.
Another thought is to make a close box speaker with 2x8' woofers. Whats i must consider to select 8' woofers for the 10F?
Is it posible?
Thank you.
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I,m not sure 100%...you may search posts on the website to have comparisons. for instance the rs225 +10f reference monitor thread talks about it.
But i think the major difference is better ventilation in the 8414 and higher QTs, which, in order, gives more bass and better Transmission line design suitability. So as a midrange, they should be about the same.
hope this helps
But i think the major difference is better ventilation in the 8414 and higher QTs, which, in order, gives more bass and better Transmission line design suitability. So as a midrange, they should be about the same.
hope this helps