Rutco,
Re. the 1320 - it's this driver but with a round frame. I believe it was the first bamboo driver available from PE. I think I paid $33 each.
Tang Band W4-1320SJ 4" Bamboo Cone Driver
I want to enjoy it without a tweeter (and can) but a tweeter really adds needed hi frequency information. I listen slightly off axis but even on axis, it's treble is soft. Overall, it's one of my favorite drivers. At $33 I feel like I got a very good deal.
Re. the 168z - I encourage you to build the BVR. FYI, I built a 24L ported box, a 42L ported box, a BK161 back horn, a BIB and even an open baffle. They all work but my favorite is the large 42L box. I think it's damn near perfect tuned to 59Hz. It doesn't model perfectly but the sound totally gells and it's one of my favorite speakers regardless of cost. I have this setup in my bedroom.
Re. the AN driver - thanks for measuring and satisfying my curiosity about this one.
Re. the 1320 - it's this driver but with a round frame. I believe it was the first bamboo driver available from PE. I think I paid $33 each.
Tang Band W4-1320SJ 4" Bamboo Cone Driver
I want to enjoy it without a tweeter (and can) but a tweeter really adds needed hi frequency information. I listen slightly off axis but even on axis, it's treble is soft. Overall, it's one of my favorite drivers. At $33 I feel like I got a very good deal.
Re. the 168z - I encourage you to build the BVR. FYI, I built a 24L ported box, a 42L ported box, a BK161 back horn, a BIB and even an open baffle. They all work but my favorite is the large 42L box. I think it's damn near perfect tuned to 59Hz. It doesn't model perfectly but the sound totally gells and it's one of my favorite speakers regardless of cost. I have this setup in my bedroom.
Re. the AN driver - thanks for measuring and satisfying my curiosity about this one.
I suspect variances between different batches of TB W4-1320
I have tested three different lots of this driver.
First one (10 pcs) I bought through e-bay directly from Taiwan.
The second one (12 pcs) I bought from Maclementhorn - Italy.
Third one - a pair with ferrite magnet that a friend of mine gave me for test.
The last one has completely different high-frequency curve from what I published in my site, regardless of identical looking cone. That's why I asked you for a particular model.
Since I don't keep the results, I will take this pair for measurements again.
I have tested three different lots of this driver.
First one (10 pcs) I bought through e-bay directly from Taiwan.
The second one (12 pcs) I bought from Maclementhorn - Italy.
Third one - a pair with ferrite magnet that a friend of mine gave me for test.
The last one has completely different high-frequency curve from what I published in my site, regardless of identical looking cone. That's why I asked you for a particular model.
Since I don't keep the results, I will take this pair for measurements again.
Rutcho, I think your current measurements show exactly what I hear... probably something in between your 15 and 30 degree slopes. Treble still sounds weak to me on axis but the overall sound is better to me somewhat off axis plus a tweeter crossed over very high. Btw I'm listening to them on open baffle on top of H-frames.
Some more measurements.
SONIDO SFR-200
This is the older version with half-roll surround.
I will publish a dedicated backloaded horn for this driver soon...
SONIDO SFR-200
This is the older version with half-roll surround.
I will publish a dedicated backloaded horn for this driver soon...
Great job again! How Sonidos playing fast and dynamic music compared to Fostex or AN ?
hey rutcho - OT - do you have a list of recommended blues albums of high audio and artistic quality for enjoyment and speaker testing? - here's one of my old favorites https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw2ZIjYBjoM
Thanks for the review on Sonido SFR-200. I like the way you present your data, no frills, no fuzz, no drama. Who needs drama when you know you're presenting facts, right? This is how it should be done.
If we play it loud, the AN is my favorite for dynamic music from your list.
Sonido will be a choice if we are looking for a better balance.
I started spontaneously to listen to the blues music five years ago and I am still exploring this vast space.
The Willie Dixon's "Willie's Blues" is one of my favorites. I prefer the 24/7 record from vinyl disk even it has some rumble.
Muddy Waters "Folk Singer" is another album I love to test loudspeakers with.
For rich and dynamic sound I recommend "Cadillac In The Swamp" by Smokehouse.
Don't miss Hugh Laurie's (yes, Dr. House's) album "Let them talk".
Yes, this is the way I want to help to anybody, who tries to design his own loudspeaker system. Cold-blooded facts are what always misses me when I start my own project.
Some years ago I found in a Japanese site a review of Electro Voice Michigan MC8 and I was attracted by the smooth and extended at highs frequency response graphics. I bought a pair and now I am publishing the measurements in my site:
Electro Voice Michigan MC8.
Electro Voice Michigan MC8.
One week ago a friend of mine brought a nice pair of
Philips AD-1256/M8
12" fullrange drivers.
Unfortunately I found no manufacturer's datasheet for this loudspeaker. I will be very glad if someone can send me some kind of brochure or other data...
Philips AD-1256/M8
12" fullrange drivers.
Unfortunately I found no manufacturer's datasheet for this loudspeaker. I will be very glad if someone can send me some kind of brochure or other data...
Rutcho, see if this is what you are looking for?
http://www.lencoheaven.net/forum/index.php?topic=15686.0
Mac
http://www.lencoheaven.net/forum/index.php?topic=15686.0
Mac
The 5200M was reintroduced as the 1255/M7 at the same time the 1256/M8 was launched. So I'm not sure the 1256 was the "successor" to the 5200M so much as it was the overhung alternative, sort of like how Philips offered the 8" 9750M (overhung) and 9710M (underhung).
I really enjoy the Eminence 12lta wide range driver. I've modified it to good effect (removed dustcap and added phase plugs). I also use a helper tweeter. I'm happy you included a 12 inch driver. Clearly, it can play high enough in frequency to maintain a cohesive 'full range' sound. While I'm sure the 12lta is not the ultimate 12" wide ranger, it's my reference point and makes me wonder how much better larger diameter drivers can be.
I'd like to hear a custom Eminence 12 with Cannabis Rex cone, 12LTA whizzer, 60oz magnet slug and cloth surround 🙂
Cannabis Rex
Cannabis Rex
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
You are after a datasheet and not just the usual listing of the drivers brochure, with a few pre T/S parameters and a very coarse curve, that you can find many places on the webs?
If the latter is the case then I might be of help, though not with the former.
Sorry wasn't able to dig out the 69's brochure I was thinking of. Here is another though with specs of the later version of the driver with the two last numerals switched around. I don't know if that is of much use to you:
http://www.cieri.net/Documenti/Altri marchi/Philips - Speakers (1970~1980).pdf
Here is a little know bonus link:
http://www.introni.it/pdf/Loudspeaker & Loudspeaker Cabinets 1966.pdf
http://www.cieri.net/Documenti/Altri marchi/Philips - Speakers (1970~1980).pdf
Here is a little know bonus link:
http://www.introni.it/pdf/Loudspeaker & Loudspeaker Cabinets 1966.pdf