H2 resonates at 42.680 mhz which you can do with silicone however the most effective frequency is 921 mhz and for that you are probably going to have to build a cavity to get the power needed. From what I have read in a patent, at 921mhz, the production is OU. (Dr. Santilli's patent)
The resonant frequency you are searching for has nothing to do with the cell, it is how you drive a piezo device. You might try crushing quartz crystal into a fine dust and packing that between the cells. It resonates at 32768 KHZ. 32768 / 64 = 512 /64 = 8. You are mostly made of hydrogen and your human body is constructed from a base 8 math. Connection?
The platonic solid shape of quartz is a tetrahedron which has 4 triangle sides and constructs a nanopoint which is used in high end radars.
The quartz emits voltage when the voltage is removed. Electrons flow to voltage.
Meyer always talked about preventing electron leakage. He was not worried about them leaking out of the cell, he was worried about them getting in. That is the purpose of the stainless steel wire in the VIC. Steel is a current shunt that allows voltage to pass. In his earlier dune buggy, he used a water resistor with pure water to pass voltage but limit current.
You might have a look at the patents Meyer referenced. In one of them was a fuse packed with silicone dioxide (quartz).
Hope all that helps.
The resonant frequency you are searching for has nothing to do with the cell, it is how you drive a piezo device. You might try crushing quartz crystal into a fine dust and packing that between the cells. It resonates at 32768 KHZ. 32768 / 64 = 512 /64 = 8. You are mostly made of hydrogen and your human body is constructed from a base 8 math. Connection?
The platonic solid shape of quartz is a tetrahedron which has 4 triangle sides and constructs a nanopoint which is used in high end radars.
The quartz emits voltage when the voltage is removed. Electrons flow to voltage.
Meyer always talked about preventing electron leakage. He was not worried about them leaking out of the cell, he was worried about them getting in. That is the purpose of the stainless steel wire in the VIC. Steel is a current shunt that allows voltage to pass. In his earlier dune buggy, he used a water resistor with pure water to pass voltage but limit current.
You might have a look at the patents Meyer referenced. In one of them was a fuse packed with silicone dioxide (quartz).
Hope all that helps.
The resonant frequency of a suspended fluid is related to the mass of fluid involved. Air suspended in a bass reflex port, for example, sets up a resonant system whose center frequency depends on the mass of the air in the port.
There may be a frequency at which the bonds between water molecules will ring, and perhaps separate. I suspect this is how those ultrasonic water based fog machines work.
For under-water speakers, some questions I would have would be what are the sound propagation characteristics of water, and how does one effectively couple the driver diaphragm to this medium?
I can say from experience that digital watches, when their alarm goes off, can be heard clearly throughout a small above-ground swimming pool! Higher frequencies seem to propagate well, with the illusion of being very close to the source. I have no idea what would happen to something much lower. For interests sake, the driver involved with the watch is a piezo-electric type.
JF
There may be a frequency at which the bonds between water molecules will ring, and perhaps separate. I suspect this is how those ultrasonic water based fog machines work.
For under-water speakers, some questions I would have would be what are the sound propagation characteristics of water, and how does one effectively couple the driver diaphragm to this medium?
I can say from experience that digital watches, when their alarm goes off, can be heard clearly throughout a small above-ground swimming pool! Higher frequencies seem to propagate well, with the illusion of being very close to the source. I have no idea what would happen to something much lower. For interests sake, the driver involved with the watch is a piezo-electric type.
JF
I have followed this thread, but it seems to have been asleep for a while, so I'm not completely up to date.
Let me ask this -
What is the resonance frequency of air?
Does it have an inherent resonance frequency regardless of volume or based on a standard volume? Perhaps.
But I think air is the medium, and it is the container that actually resonates based on its size and shape. Think - pipe organ; the same air flows through all the pipes.
I would assume the same for water. Water would resonate based on the size and shape of the container which holds it, because water is only the medium by which its container resonates.
Just a thought.
Steve/bluewizard
Let me ask this -
What is the resonance frequency of air?
Does it have an inherent resonance frequency regardless of volume or based on a standard volume? Perhaps.
But I think air is the medium, and it is the container that actually resonates based on its size and shape. Think - pipe organ; the same air flows through all the pipes.
I would assume the same for water. Water would resonate based on the size and shape of the container which holds it, because water is only the medium by which its container resonates.
Just a thought.
Steve/bluewizard
It has nothing to do with the resonant frequency of water. It has to do with electrostatic attraction and fracturing using ultrasonic energy.
The electostatic opens up the atom and the cavitation from the ultrasonic causes the electron cascade.
The electostatic opens up the atom and the cavitation from the ultrasonic causes the electron cascade.
TheBuzz said:
Buzz, that's interesting. When you say "opens up the atom" - are you sure something is happening at the atomic level? I would tend to think the ultrasonic signal is breaking the bonds between molecules.
Do you suppose this has nothing to do with resonance? This thread got me thinking - and I bet there is a frequency at which water molecules resonate. A resonant system is any suspended mass. In this case, the masses are the individual molecules, and the suspensions are the polar bonds between them. Would this not be a resonant system?
JF
edit: wait, I think I see what you are saying: the molecular bonds are electrostatic, that I agree. So breaking of these bonds means electrons are being redistributed on an atomic level. But as the water molecules remain intact, it's safe to say this process occurs on the molecular level. Do you agree?
@ JR Freeman,
It is a little more complex than what I stated. Meyer made ozone but better than O3 he made O4 and above in his air/gas processor.
From what I understand oxygen absorbs at around 752 - 760 nm and the two tubes in the air/ gas processor where charged using autoformers.
Whether the tubes were heterodyned and or one ran positive and the other ran negative, the basic idea is that the O2 molecule will trade a covalent electron for a photon when the red leds inject photons.
From there the O4 and steam are mixed and I suspect ultrasonic energy causes the bond cleaving to take place. Ultrasonic mixers are great for mixing things that don't want to mix. That is what the resonant cavity is all about.
The large powerful O4 atom easily cleaves the weaker covalent electron from the water molecule.
When I disclosed this info. on web sites like overunity.com which is a spook trap designed to suppress free energy devices I got banned. That is pretty good confirmation that the information is correct.
I think they call that type cf a device a cathode laser accelerator.
It is a little more complex than what I stated. Meyer made ozone but better than O3 he made O4 and above in his air/gas processor.
From what I understand oxygen absorbs at around 752 - 760 nm and the two tubes in the air/ gas processor where charged using autoformers.
Whether the tubes were heterodyned and or one ran positive and the other ran negative, the basic idea is that the O2 molecule will trade a covalent electron for a photon when the red leds inject photons.
From there the O4 and steam are mixed and I suspect ultrasonic energy causes the bond cleaving to take place. Ultrasonic mixers are great for mixing things that don't want to mix. That is what the resonant cavity is all about.
The large powerful O4 atom easily cleaves the weaker covalent electron from the water molecule.
When I disclosed this info. on web sites like overunity.com which is a spook trap designed to suppress free energy devices I got banned. That is pretty good confirmation that the information is correct.
I think they call that type cf a device a cathode laser accelerator.
Water split with resonance
Dear fiends
I want to share with you my experience in this theme, I've used not sound waves for split water and get hydrogen, I've used electrical resonance using steel cells, the frequency is near to the values commented here, but is more single get it for the single formula:
E = h * f
E is the energy needed for split one H-O dipole in the water molecule, E is in dependence of enviroment temperature, pressure, etc,.... so f is a not constant value and changes according this parameters, but f is a high frequency value of too much gigahertz near to optical frequencies and common circuits don't works at the main frequency, so you can work in sub-harmonic values, in the kilohertz range is adequate for get this split tuning the oscillator until get the maximal hydrogen generation
My results give an energy gain about of 750, that is say output energy of hydrogen heating is 750 times the electrical energy needed in the resonance, this don't violates the energy conservation laws, extra energy becomes of the internal stored energy in the water molecule and the reaction between hydrogen and enviroment oxygen.
I've builded kitchens, solders, electricity generators are using common water as fuel, but without sound waves, using resonant circuits and steel cells
With years of experience in this testing I've discovered energy is not in the water or hydrogen, is in the frequency and can be extracted directly of the low power oscillator
Bye, regards
Dear fiends
I want to share with you my experience in this theme, I've used not sound waves for split water and get hydrogen, I've used electrical resonance using steel cells, the frequency is near to the values commented here, but is more single get it for the single formula:
E = h * f
E is the energy needed for split one H-O dipole in the water molecule, E is in dependence of enviroment temperature, pressure, etc,.... so f is a not constant value and changes according this parameters, but f is a high frequency value of too much gigahertz near to optical frequencies and common circuits don't works at the main frequency, so you can work in sub-harmonic values, in the kilohertz range is adequate for get this split tuning the oscillator until get the maximal hydrogen generation
My results give an energy gain about of 750, that is say output energy of hydrogen heating is 750 times the electrical energy needed in the resonance, this don't violates the energy conservation laws, extra energy becomes of the internal stored energy in the water molecule and the reaction between hydrogen and enviroment oxygen.
I've builded kitchens, solders, electricity generators are using common water as fuel, but without sound waves, using resonant circuits and steel cells
With years of experience in this testing I've discovered energy is not in the water or hydrogen, is in the frequency and can be extracted directly of the low power oscillator
Bye, regards
And h is Plank's constant? Thats the quantum relationship for a photon and has nothing to do with sound.
Seriously, any time those thousands of scientists get close the petrolium giants step in and buy the research. That has been happening for more than 20 years. Many good ideas never see the light of day.
Why can't this community come up with something ground breaking.
Terry
Stan Meyers claims were interesting although i have no way of deciding whether they were true or not. I don't say that he achieved what he suggested but am intrigued by the possibility.
To make a car run from water alone, you need to make sure that the amount of electricity produced by the alternator is greater than the electricity needed to produce enough HHO gas to power the vehicle and make it self-sustaining (not over-unity i might add as there is a lot of energy stored in water, all we are doing is liberating the energy stored in it into a form which can be more readily used).
What he claims to have devised is a way to use the resonant frequency of water (in a specific container, the resonant frequency changes according to the container the water is in, or so i believe) which uses very little amperes but puts out a lot of volts at a specific frequency.
I'm not a scientist or an electrical engineer, so i don't know how you would take a small amount of amps from an alternator, convert it, then put out a lot of volts, with low amperage into water to produce HHO gas.
The reason that the standard electrolysis method of water + electrolyte couldn't be used to power a car is that it takes far too many amps to produce a small amount of HHO gas as many people have found (some to their detriment and voiding of insurance claims 🙂 ). To run a car solely on this method would be impossible. Hence the novel idea of using a low amperage, high voltage system where the frequency of the elctricity is the same as the resonant frequency of the water in that specific container.
If i were independently wealthy and had time on my hands, i'd defo hire an electrical engineer and a physicist to help me understand this possible phenomena, even if it is all crap. Who knows, it may end up changing the world 🙂
You have to admit, there are surely better ways to liberate hydrogen and oxygen from water than standard electrolysis.
Here is a site devoted to such ideas .....
Hydrogen Fuel, Over Unity, Free Energy and Zero Point Energy Research
Here is a more interesting link from youtube about a guy called Michael Strizki. He uses solar power to convert water into hydrogen (using an electrylser) which he then stores in 10 x 1,000 gallon propane tanks in his garden. He then uses the hydrogen in those tanks to power his house through the winter. All of it for free (except the setup costs obviously) 🙂
YouTube - Solar hydrogen home Michael Strizki
Enjoy
To make a car run from water alone, you need to make sure that the amount of electricity produced by the alternator is greater than the electricity needed to produce enough HHO gas to power the vehicle and make it self-sustaining (not over-unity i might add as there is a lot of energy stored in water, all we are doing is liberating the energy stored in it into a form which can be more readily used).
What he claims to have devised is a way to use the resonant frequency of water (in a specific container, the resonant frequency changes according to the container the water is in, or so i believe) which uses very little amperes but puts out a lot of volts at a specific frequency.
I'm not a scientist or an electrical engineer, so i don't know how you would take a small amount of amps from an alternator, convert it, then put out a lot of volts, with low amperage into water to produce HHO gas.
The reason that the standard electrolysis method of water + electrolyte couldn't be used to power a car is that it takes far too many amps to produce a small amount of HHO gas as many people have found (some to their detriment and voiding of insurance claims 🙂 ). To run a car solely on this method would be impossible. Hence the novel idea of using a low amperage, high voltage system where the frequency of the elctricity is the same as the resonant frequency of the water in that specific container.
If i were independently wealthy and had time on my hands, i'd defo hire an electrical engineer and a physicist to help me understand this possible phenomena, even if it is all crap. Who knows, it may end up changing the world 🙂
You have to admit, there are surely better ways to liberate hydrogen and oxygen from water than standard electrolysis.
Here is a site devoted to such ideas .....
Hydrogen Fuel, Over Unity, Free Energy and Zero Point Energy Research
Here is a more interesting link from youtube about a guy called Michael Strizki. He uses solar power to convert water into hydrogen (using an electrylser) which he then stores in 10 x 1,000 gallon propane tanks in his garden. He then uses the hydrogen in those tanks to power his house through the winter. All of it for free (except the setup costs obviously) 🙂
YouTube - Solar hydrogen home Michael Strizki
Enjoy
what if u combine the two? use electrolysis to make the water unstable then finish it off by using sonar or some how mechanically vibrate the water to hit its resonate frequency use its resonate frequency to help the electrolysis?
Microwave ovens make water molocules vibrate at high speed. This is what causes them to heat up. I am also very interested in the solution to your quest. Stan Meyers was smart in the fact that the circuit he patented was only part of the solution. He had been ripped off on previous inventions and didnt want to show the total solution to the process he developed. He didnt patent the resonance freqency circuit or it's information anywhere. Search the patent office and this yeilds zero hits. Uspto First one there is king of the mountain or dead
True resonance of a material causes it to vibrate with minimum force once the frequency is arrived at. This is why hitting the material with more force will make it vibrate but not make it reach the frequency to sustain the reaction and cause it to vibrate apart. It is possible to push the susbstance over the edge using another outside force. In the water question, electrolsis is used to break the final bond and reach the desired result of oxygen and hydrogen. Reach true resconant frequency and the water would simply vibrate apart into hydrogen and oxygen.
No, it doesn't. The OH bond vibrational resonant frequency is far too low to disrupt the bond. Electrolysis will always follow the Second Law- more energy in than you'll get out from the hydrogen and oxygen.
Microwaves excite rotational frequencies, not vibrational.
Microwaves excite rotational frequencies, not vibrational.
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