Quick Question, 2 Woofers in 1 Ported Enclosure

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LineSource

LineSource

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2003-09-25 12:05 am
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  • #3
    When putting two identical woofers in a single ported box.

    -Double the single-driver box volume.
    -If your port has "sharp" ends on both sides, then you can just double the port tube length.
    -If your port has rounded ends on one of both sides, then you should run a few calculations to get accurate construction details.
    -The port resonance will increase, and this might become audible. You may want to change port diameter.
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    With high-output woofers, a single volume with two woofers "might" generate angular rocking of the cones which "might" generate voice coil rubbing on the pole steel. Pro-woofer cabinets often use multiple ports in balanced-pressure baffle locations.
     
    JShadzi

    JShadzi

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    2016-02-01 5:09 am
    Bay Area, CA
  • #4
    LineSource said:
    When putting two identical woofers in a single ported box.

    -Double the single-driver box volume.
    -If your port has "sharp" ends on both sides, then you can just double the port tube length.
    -If your port has rounded ends on one of both sides, then you should run a few calculations to get accurate construction details.
    -The port resonance will increase, and this might become audible. You may want to change port diameter.
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    With high-output woofers, a single volume with two woofers "might" generate angular rocking of the cones which "might" generate voice coil rubbing on the pole steel. Pro-woofer cabinets often use multiple ports in balanced-pressure baffle locations.
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    Thanks for the responses everyone!

    So to confirm, double port length as well? I am modeling two 6.5" drivers in a 28l box, when I model for 1 driver with a Vas of 35 it says make the 2.75" diameter port 8" long, when I double Vas the port length drops to 3.5", seems like it's compensating for the Vas change no?

    Thanks!
     
    system7

    system7

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    2008-08-03 1:32 am
    Portsmouth UK
  • #5
    You pretty much double everything with two drivers.

    Two boxes, two ports, two crossovers.

    Here's the thought experiment.
     

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  • #7
    JShadzi said:
    Ok that's easy enough, so in that case you'd keep Vas the same and just double the enclosure volume as well as number of ports?
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    Exactly. The crossover, however, depends on series or parallel wiring because of the relative loudness involved. There's also a slight complexity with a single tweeter.

    But essentially, if you've got a good design for a single woofer and tweeter, you can easily convert it to an MTM or MTTM.

    You then gain that PA type sound which projects well to the back of the room.
     
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    JShadzi

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    2016-02-01 5:09 am
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  • #8
    Anyone have an issue with calculating the volume for one driver, then halving the enclosure size to calculate port size and length for a tuning resonance with 2 drivers?

    So for example, say I want I run a calc for one driver a 2 cubic feet and I calculate a 3" port that is 8" long. Then I run the same calculation but for 1 cubic foot which now calls for an 11" long port.

    Then I build a 2 cubic foot box with a 3x11 port and install both drivers in it.

    Does that work?
     
    JShadzi

    JShadzi

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    2016-02-01 5:09 am
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  • #12
    john k... said:
    The correct information is that you would double the volume of the single driver case and, if the port diameter remains constant you would reduce the port length by around 1/2 or more to keep the tuning frequency constant.
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    Thanks guys for your input! I really want to understand this to be sure I do it right.

    So in my example above, according to what you wrote, I calculate for a single driver, and run that driver in 2 cubic feet for 2 drivers vs 1 ft for one. Port length changes from 11" to 8" in the calc, does that sound correct?

    Thanks for the help everyone!
     
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    jReave

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    2012-10-30 4:34 pm
  • #14
    Unibox
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    Unibox suggests Vb=21.5L, Fb=43Hz and a port= 5cmx12.5cm per single driver.

    For 2 drivers in the same box, Vb=43L, Fb=43Hz and the port=7.5cmx12cm (or 2 x (5cmx12.5cm).

    But here's a thought - put each driver in a separate chamber with its own port. This has the added flexibility of allowing you to fine tune your speaker's LF response to your room by stuffing a single port if you find that the bass ends up on the boomy side.
     
    JShadzi

    JShadzi

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  • #15
    jReave said:
    Unibox
    WinISD

    Unibox suggests Vb=21.5L, Fb=43Hz and a port= 5cmx12.5cm per single driver.

    For 2 drivers in the same box, Vb=43L, Fb=43Hz and the port=7.5cmx12cm (or 2 x (5cmx12.5cm).

    But here's a thought - put each driver in a separate chamber with its own port. This has the added flexibility of allowing you to fine tune your speaker's LF response to your room by stuffing a single port if you find that the bass ends up on the boomy side.
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    Thanks! That lines up exactly with what I calculated, I appreciate it. I'll think about the separate enclosures as well, definitely a good point.

    Thanks everyone!
     
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