so someone who sells boutique audio wants to persuade you that something he designed has a positive benefit. Yeah, no conflict of interest or reality there.
You believe these devices work, so for you they do.
EDIT: http://www.usbdacs.com/Concept/Concept.html this is laughable in its lack of actual content.
You believe these devices work, so for you they do.
EDIT: http://www.usbdacs.com/Concept/Concept.html this is laughable in its lack of actual content.
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I usually try to stay openminded. There's a reason for everything.
I guess nobody questions the USB related issues - noise, data jitter,....
I'm not questioning Sjefs experiences either...
If and how USB related issues impact your audio experience is one story.
What's causing these is another story.
How you can fight them would be one more story.
Anyhow. I figured, things are much too complex and differ from setup to setup.
For me there's no other way then try and buy.
Try 14 days and if you don't like the stuff or if it doesn't work it goes back.
Cheers
I guess nobody questions the USB related issues - noise, data jitter,....
I'm not questioning Sjefs experiences either...
If and how USB related issues impact your audio experience is one story.
What's causing these is another story.
How you can fight them would be one more story.
Anyhow. I figured, things are much too complex and differ from setup to setup.
For me there's no other way then try and buy.
Try 14 days and if you don't like the stuff or if it doesn't work it goes back.
Cheers
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And...
...if anybody finds a DAC that absolutely doesn't respond to any upstream tweaks,
such as PC tuning, USB tuning, application and OS tuning please let me know.
...if anybody finds a DAC that absolutely doesn't respond to any upstream tweaks,
such as PC tuning, USB tuning, application and OS tuning please let me know.
I question them. If my DAC suffers audibly from this I don't need a band aid, I need a properly designed DAC.
Not going to buy HiFiNews just to look at their pics. Don't suppose anyone else has published measurements of before and after OUT of the DAC?
Rega Research DAC-R D/A processor Measurements | Stereophile.com
Tell me where some flooby dust will improve those measured results.
Tell me where some flooby dust will improve those measured results.
Accessory – iPurifier
6db noise down...
...so what!?!? Just marketing crap ???
My car is marketed with 5.4l/100km. It needs 6.5l/100km. Why is that?
I don't care. I'm happy what it does at 6,5l/100km. And it does it better
then some other cars I tried.
Try and buy.
6db noise down...
...so what!?!? Just marketing crap ???
My car is marketed with 5.4l/100km. It needs 6.5l/100km. Why is that?
I don't care. I'm happy what it does at 6,5l/100km. And it does it better
then some other cars I tried.
Try and buy.
actually they claim 5dB, but dont mention what the minimum C/I is for the receiver or show ANY improvement on the output of anything. so, a big resounding Meh from me.
If you are going to design a filter for HF noise then it should be designed correctly, capacitive coupling will just negate the filtering.
But its a whole new market to milk the gullible of their money....
Of course some real research and information would be interesting from audio companies...
The Wurth connector has the common mode choke, the ESD device and a Pi filter for the 5Vs, nothing earth shattering, just allows designs where this is lacking to retro fit the connector to add the extra filtering or to save space on board designs.
Digital is the new Audio demon, and luckily for the suppliers of this sort of stuff signal integrity, noise issues etc. are not really understood by most audiophiles so scare stories and myths of how bad it all is creates a market to suck more money out of the punters.....
But its a whole new market to milk the gullible of their money....
Of course some real research and information would be interesting from audio companies...
The Wurth connector has the common mode choke, the ESD device and a Pi filter for the 5Vs, nothing earth shattering, just allows designs where this is lacking to retro fit the connector to add the extra filtering or to save space on board designs.
Digital is the new Audio demon, and luckily for the suppliers of this sort of stuff signal integrity, noise issues etc. are not really understood by most audiophiles so scare stories and myths of how bad it all is creates a market to suck more money out of the punters.....
If you are going to design a filter for HF noise then it should be designed correctly, capacitive coupling will just negate the filtering.
But its a whole new market to milk the gullible of their money....
Of course some real research and information would be interesting from audio companies...
The Wurth connector has the common mode choke, the ESD device and a Pi filter for the 5Vs, nothing earth shattering, just allows designs where this is lacking to retro fit the connector to add the extra filtering or to save space on board designs.
Digital is the new Audio demon, and luckily for the suppliers of this sort of stuff signal integrity, noise issues etc. are not really understood by most audiophiles so scare stories and myths of how bad it all is creates a market to suck more money out of the punters.....
The usual BS marketing quote, how can you put the analogue back into a digital signal (and don't bother boring me with digital signals are analogue, I know but it does not matter at this level, only when you are doing serious signal integrity work), its like the claim silver USB cables sound brighter....
But its a whole new market to milk the gullible of their money....
Of course some real research and information would be interesting from audio companies...
The Wurth connector has the common mode choke, the ESD device and a Pi filter for the 5Vs, nothing earth shattering, just allows designs where this is lacking to retro fit the connector to add the extra filtering or to save space on board designs.
Digital is the new Audio demon, and luckily for the suppliers of this sort of stuff signal integrity, noise issues etc. are not really understood by most audiophiles so scare stories and myths of how bad it all is creates a market to suck more money out of the punters.....
The usual BS marketing quote, how can you put the analogue back into a digital signal (and don't bother boring me with digital signals are analogue, I know but it does not matter at this level, only when you are doing serious signal integrity work), its like the claim silver USB cables sound brighter....
That's nonsense.
Usually "Audiophiles" tell that there is a difference. They are not scared. They just try it.
Then the "snakeoil-prove-it" fraction shows up. Questions everything. "No measurements - No difference"
That's the nonsense never ending game.
If somebody shows up with measurements, these basement-dungeon I-know-everything-better engineers rip even those apart. Why? Because it is possible. And that's the game.
Bottom line. I'm outta here.
Enjoy.
Unsubscribed.
Usually "Audiophiles" tell that there is a difference. They are not scared. They just try it.
Then the "snakeoil-prove-it" fraction shows up. Questions everything. "No measurements - No difference"
That's the nonsense never ending game.
If somebody shows up with measurements, these basement-dungeon I-know-everything-better engineers rip even those apart. Why? Because it is possible. And that's the game.
Bottom line. I'm outta here.
Enjoy.
Unsubscribed.
No its not nonsense its reality, maybe if some factions of audiophiles got a bit more real things would move forward.
The whole point is to prove a hypotheses, then it can become a theory, until then it is nothing but speculation.
"bottom line. I'm outta here" = you are not a believer I will not discuss this.
The whole point is to prove a hypotheses, then it can become a theory, until then it is nothing but speculation.
"bottom line. I'm outta here" = you are not a believer I will not discuss this.
I wasn't even talking about audible differences, I was talking about if it primarily works or not. In most cases I (and my friends) had errors that there was sopmething wrong with the audio device, or that the device was not recognized at all or when it worked there was a lot of distortion with the jitterbug in place. We never even got to the point of listening to any audible differences at all. It simply did not work in the first place, that;s wehat I'm talking about all the time. Not about how resolving a system is to hear the difference, it just has to work before going into that territory. In two cases it worked flawlesly out of about a zillion combinations, that's not what I would call a good score. All I'm saying is that this is absolutely a try before you by device.
Its amazing how they will defend products like this or even more ridiculous at $350 a pop this :
SOtM - English | iSO-CAT6
SOtM - English | iSO-CAT6
well the measurements are up AudioQuest JitterBug USB noise filter | Stereophile.com
there is one measurement where it changes something, but at -120dBFS!
JA claims he can hear it. Maybe its just apples cheapo USB implementation 😛
there is one measurement where it changes something, but at -120dBFS!
JA claims he can hear it. Maybe its just apples cheapo USB implementation 😛
I'm back. 😀
@phofman. Please don't try to play the smartass here.
The discussions were not just about latency! These where about latency, latency-jitter, data-jitter, constantly changing (SW) load conditions that also impact power supplies, power rails and noise.
And it was me against the rest of the world.
Bottom line - at least to me - there's nothing new on this still ongoing discussion.
Meanwhile there are are numerous audio players and audio distros out there claiming
"audiophile" music playback on all platforms. Volumio, Rune ,Moode, Voyage, AP-Linux,...Most Linux based stuff - you'll find them over here at DIYA - is using MPD as base. You'll still find my 2008 MPD HowTo in the DIYA oldwiki area btw. - The recipe remained the same.
Numerous users are supporting these "better sound" claims. Nobody can really explain it. Nobody intends to measure it. They just enjoy it.
Only die-hard naysayers put all that into the placebo corner.
Just to get billshurvs preoccupied conclusions straight.
Attkinson clearly says that he's not able to correlate his measurement results - which in fact show slight differences - to what he hears. And he states that he clearly hears differences. ( I and 1000s of other USB filter users wouldn't doubt that -- yep, I know - It's all placebo.)
He also states that his measurement gear wouldn't cover issues in the digital domain. I doubt that it would help anyhow. In the end somebody would have to explain how changes in the digital domain translate into changes in the analog domain.
Everybody who'd try to explain it would face shitstorms - as usual. I'm not surprised that you won't see any measurements from those selling these devices. The problem they have to face - If you say anything you'll be nailed, If you don't say anything - you'll be classified as quack. The only way out: Try and ( Buy or Return ).
This will go on until somebody finally nails the subject. I promise, we'll have that very same discussion over and over again until this happens. That's the game.
Enjoy. I do.
@phofman. Please don't try to play the smartass here.
The discussions were not just about latency! These where about latency, latency-jitter, data-jitter, constantly changing (SW) load conditions that also impact power supplies, power rails and noise.
And it was me against the rest of the world.
Bottom line - at least to me - there's nothing new on this still ongoing discussion.
Meanwhile there are are numerous audio players and audio distros out there claiming
"audiophile" music playback on all platforms. Volumio, Rune ,Moode, Voyage, AP-Linux,...Most Linux based stuff - you'll find them over here at DIYA - is using MPD as base. You'll still find my 2008 MPD HowTo in the DIYA oldwiki area btw. - The recipe remained the same.
Numerous users are supporting these "better sound" claims. Nobody can really explain it. Nobody intends to measure it. They just enjoy it.
Only die-hard naysayers put all that into the placebo corner.
Just to get billshurvs preoccupied conclusions straight.
Attkinson clearly says that he's not able to correlate his measurement results - which in fact show slight differences - to what he hears. And he states that he clearly hears differences. ( I and 1000s of other USB filter users wouldn't doubt that -- yep, I know - It's all placebo.)
He also states that his measurement gear wouldn't cover issues in the digital domain. I doubt that it would help anyhow. In the end somebody would have to explain how changes in the digital domain translate into changes in the analog domain.
Everybody who'd try to explain it would face shitstorms - as usual. I'm not surprised that you won't see any measurements from those selling these devices. The problem they have to face - If you say anything you'll be nailed, If you don't say anything - you'll be classified as quack. The only way out: Try and ( Buy or Return ).
This will go on until somebody finally nails the subject. I promise, we'll have that very same discussion over and over again until this happens. That's the game.
Enjoy. I do.
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