Post 385 the part about power suplies, but as usual no response to the rational (scientific) arguements so we stoop to the subjective personal arguements we get as replies. Bye Bye
SY said:
The point was audio magazines focusing on perceived audio quality almost completely replaced those strictly measurement focused. This didn't happen in popularized science so the objection is spurious. You can show the ratios of science/applied science sales experienced the same precipitous drop? Even so your implication is a horde of anti-rationalists have co-opted the field of consumer audio reproduction. Pretty extraordinary claim from a proof perspective.
It also begs the question of intent. Most I suspect buy supermarket tabloids for entertainment over information, at least in my experience.
cbdb, perhaps because I find the argument weak, posited an alternative explanation elsewhere, and can't be bothered to rehash it with someone who can't figure out I don't agree power cords are important.
100:1 in a market of 10MM leaves plenty of room for less fun, more info. In a market of 10,000, there's no niche for the spoilsports. You can't survive with 100 subscribers.
To whom have you spoken - Fremer, Blake, The Great Randi or all three? I was under the impression that the challenge was Pear vs. Monster. Has anyone done any measurements on the two cables in question? Easily measured frequency responses more often than not fall outside the realm of what is audible, so what's the point in that? I found Randi's rejection of Fremer's proposal that he be allowed to take the test using his own cables on the grounds that Fremer could "dope" the cable with some kind of tell absurd. And who are these advisors? With all of the conditions Randi sets on a contiually changing basis, who is willing to bet $10,000 or more that Randi is going to relinquish the million?
John
My understanding is that Fremer wanted not just to provide the cables but to change the protocol in such a way as to break the controls. Cuing is not allowed.
edit: http://www.audioholics.com/news/industry-news/pear-cables-worst-tech?date=001120080103
These people are scam artists on the Kait Level, a rarified plane.
edit: http://www.audioholics.com/news/industry-news/pear-cables-worst-tech?date=001120080103
These people are scam artists on the Kait Level, a rarified plane.
dognut said:
Our original poster had such a seemingly simple question.
Since then we have managed to drift through the vaugaries (or otherwise) of DBT, the morality of cable pricing and marketing, psycho-acoustic variances and the implications for what is or is not heard, evolution(!) including an interesting insight into the territorial behaviour of lions in a reserve environment, a small deviation into the technical requirements of power supplies for SS vs hollow state, molecular composition of cable components and the dangers of 4 nines vs 5 nines metals in conductors, the circulation and readership statistics and editorial direction of special interest publications in the United States, and the full range of name-dropping, personal invictive and ad hominem argument.
Question answered yet dognut?
Re: Re: Power cord replacement
Yes, it was answered. What matters, a ground wire. Also, all sources of signal had to be equally well grounded. The better are ground connections between them, the lower are voltage drops caused by interferences on ground wires. Sources of interferences are capacitances between phase, null, and ground wires that transfer current peaks created by rectifiers and switching power supplies to ground wires that must be connected according to UL regulations.
aardvarkash10 said:
Question answered yet dognut?
Yes, it was answered. What matters, a ground wire. Also, all sources of signal had to be equally well grounded. The better are ground connections between them, the lower are voltage drops caused by interferences on ground wires. Sources of interferences are capacitances between phase, null, and ground wires that transfer current peaks created by rectifiers and switching power supplies to ground wires that must be connected according to UL regulations.
SY said:
Astrology appears underrepresented:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magazine_circulation#United_States
They only have books, newspapers, television, and significant space in every magazine sold in grocery stores. Poor neglected astrologers!
Well, I'm not interested in discussing the Randi challenge any more until more information specific to the testing protocol becomes available. All I have ever been able to find out about the thing on the web is that some people are bickering at each other. If you are privy to any useful information, why don't you share it? There's no reason to be vague, is there?
John
John
SY, you wrote:
What was the basis for this comment: DBT, strawman specsmanship or sighted listening?
What was the basis for this comment: DBT, strawman specsmanship or sighted listening?
mach1 said:
Extensive measurement and comparison with several different "classic" collectors' item versions. Very favorable distortion spectra (low level, low order), low microphonics in 20 or so tested samples, and zero failures after about 3 years of use.
I'm not sure how that relates to power cords, perhaps the question is best asked in the Tube section?
Previously posted:
SY,
Given that you made an unqualified statement alluding to the superiority of JJ 12AT7 over all other variants based soley on measured performance parameters, don't you feel the straw man may actually have a more anthromorphic appearance?
Why not give it all away and buy an immaculately measuring SS amp?
SY,
Given that you made an unqualified statement alluding to the superiority of JJ 12AT7 over all other variants based soley on measured performance parameters, don't you feel the straw man may actually have a more anthromorphic appearance?
Why not give it all away and buy an immaculately measuring SS amp?
Another logical error, mach1. I think the fallacy you just committed is the excluded middle.
I've got a couple, including an early-production Adcom 555 and some Sunfires. They run my woofers.
I've got a couple, including an early-production Adcom 555 and some Sunfires. They run my woofers.
some tidying up
Just a couple of notes:
This one eludes Google.
These guys don't seem to have any problem accepting advertising revenue from Kimber Cable, makers of a $38,000 speaker cable.
John
Just a couple of notes:
This one eludes Google.
These guys don't seem to have any problem accepting advertising revenue from Kimber Cable, makers of a $38,000 speaker cable.
John
Kait is the guy who sells magical hat-racks, jars full of rocks, "magic" chips, magic clocks, magic telephone calls, and god-knows-what-else.
$38,000 for cables. Wow. I could hire the damn orchestra for that.
$38,000 for cables. Wow. I could hire the damn orchestra for that.
Since the post is still alive ...
what about 2 strings of 100 bybee quantum purifiers, wrapped in a silk sleeve, covered by C37
what about 2 strings of 100 bybee quantum purifiers, wrapped in a silk sleeve, covered by C37
SY said:
It's called "Buy a magical suggestion of joy and get a nice looking cable free".
Suggestion works such a way so after some pre-programmed time break-in happens and the customers feels the joy. It's known since ancient times, when magicians used to sell talismans.
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