They are reported. Thus all the moderators will see depending on global time and their online time. If they will evaluate some as pure attacks they will pull out. They will not pull out arguments on trade matters/opinions, that is a steady policy moderation is not messing with this sector I multi repeat. Me I just ask them to have a second look since you persist. Its time I am out anyway. Keep it civil, all of you, whatever the arguments and there will be pro GB arguments too, no doubt 
two points; first, i assumed that group buys is to ensure better pricing by a group pooling its purchasing power together. it would be a bit of a shame if a member attempts to use the pooled purchasing power by the members to line their own pocket. Sure i can appreciate some out of pocket expenses needs to be covered, but at three times it seems like a lot (assuming its true).
Second point: Those who engaged in the GB clearly accepted the price as acceptable to them. a handshake is a handshake when you buy stuff and i think those who agreed to the pricing in the grand scheme of things should consider that if it was acceptable to them a week ago it should be acceptable to them today.
finally, to imply this is some grand scheme to defraud the membership doesn't ring true to me. Could a confluence of circumstances, what do i know? but i don't think its appropriate to point out faults in the GB without offering alternate means to satisfy the demand. What i worry about is that this could lead to good people on this site who don't find the best and cheapest vendors in the world would be hesitant to contribute. and i think that would be a loss to the community. Having said this it i hope that people understand that if $15 or whatever per PCB was worth it to them a week ago it should still be worth it to them today. Posting possible alternate sources with better pricing for the PCB's before the GB is finalized is very helpful though in my opinion and could lead to better pricing for all.
lets just hope that this board actually works and there are no issues with it since it hasn't been tested. and no i chose not to go for this gb because i wanted to see it tested first...
Second point: Those who engaged in the GB clearly accepted the price as acceptable to them. a handshake is a handshake when you buy stuff and i think those who agreed to the pricing in the grand scheme of things should consider that if it was acceptable to them a week ago it should be acceptable to them today.
finally, to imply this is some grand scheme to defraud the membership doesn't ring true to me. Could a confluence of circumstances, what do i know? but i don't think its appropriate to point out faults in the GB without offering alternate means to satisfy the demand. What i worry about is that this could lead to good people on this site who don't find the best and cheapest vendors in the world would be hesitant to contribute. and i think that would be a loss to the community. Having said this it i hope that people understand that if $15 or whatever per PCB was worth it to them a week ago it should still be worth it to them today. Posting possible alternate sources with better pricing for the PCB's before the GB is finalized is very helpful though in my opinion and could lead to better pricing for all.
lets just hope that this board actually works and there are no issues with it since it hasn't been tested. and no i chose not to go for this gb because i wanted to see it tested first...
It's quite simple danFrank. The Krell group buy had pcb's even more expensive than this Goldmund group buy. But Jam and the rest of the trolls were not jumping up and down about it back then.
I would hope that the boards for this buy are not $5 ones from china using copper that is 97% pure (ie scap pipe). I do not mind paying a few dollars more for quality.
Ignorance is Bliss!
Trolls.......rather harsh when we pointed out so many mistakes and lack of a test board before ordering boards that might be problamatic. The cost is a secondary issue here.
Speaking of PCBcart, whose boards I have used happen to be far inferior than most......you have no idea.........but it is your money to spend.😉
Regards,
Jam
Trolls.......rather harsh when we pointed out so many mistakes and lack of a test board before ordering boards that might be problamatic. The cost is a secondary issue here.
Speaking of PCBcart, whose boards I have used happen to be far inferior than most......you have no idea.........but it is your money to spend.😉
Regards,
Jam
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Of course, to get the best performance from your Goldmund clone amp, it's essential to use the proper cables. Those who hadn't already noticed will be thrilled to learn that Nagys is selling genuine imitation Goldmund cable right here for significantly less than the Goldmund price.
Lucky you! Depending on length required, the cables may even work out less expensive than the amp.
Lucky you! Depending on length required, the cables may even work out less expensive than the amp.
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This is why I do this here.
This thread is entitled "group buy" and a group buy per definition excludes that someone lines his pocket with the money saved by better prices from higher quantities.
Absolutely true. Folks here not only accepted the high prices but also accepted to buy untested boards that might not work without more or less severe modifications or even might not work at all.
I hope the discussion here will keep away future attempts to screw DIYAers. And I hope his will lower the prices for the group buy here and future group buys. Of course I also hope that someone will test the board instead of multiplying the rist of failure with 250 and distribute it to the customers.
I pointed out alternatives but I'm not willing to take over the group buy. If the subscribers here want a tested design and reasonable prices you should discuss this with Nagys and bigpanda. I'm obviously not suitable to moderate between the two parties.
By the way: Except Nagys whining about personal attacks I haven't read from them for a long time now. I think it was time to explain themselves now and find a solution with their customers. A fair solution that satisfies both parties, please.
I have followed this, and associated threads, with delight. I recently placed an order with Bigpanda for a pair of boards. I am quite happy to pay what is being asked.
Why? Because, for the last two years, I have been on the lookout for a pair of amps with high Bandwidth and fast Slew Rate to satisfactorily drive my Manger units. Until now the commercial amps of Goldmund and Emitter II etc are way out of my financial league. The closest I have managed to aquire so far have been Germany's AVM monos & Japan's 1984 Luxman amps.
Here lies an opportunity, not only to aquire a pair of 'Goldmund' clones but also to gain some satisfaction putting them together. My priority here is the Slew Rate/Rise time. I have never heard Goldmund but I have faith in others who have.
So now you know where I am coming from. I will probably buy the other 'improved' boards also, when they are ready.
Regarding the spitting and eyescratching going on in this thread I have to say that I am dissapointed to see firstly that it has turned into personal attacks and secondly that I believe it is not being moderated properly. The accusations of (at best) profiteering and (at worst) theft are clearly made in the interests of Oneupmanship and not necessarily with the better good of the collective group buy. For these accusations to be made on 'rumours' and in such a way so as to force the two members into an undefendable corner is despicable. The onus should be on the accusers to be able to substantiate their accusations. [This includes obtaining apples for apples prices]
It is certainly acceptable that questions should be asked, calculations made and further questions answered, but to formulate these questions under the guise of a 'full frontal attack' and for that attack NOT to be moderated properly is a poor show.
From where I'm sitting I see 250 boards to be ordered, perhaps around 200 already sold. The differing 50 still has to be paid for. Perhaps when all done and dusted, and the remaining 50 are sold, then the organisers of the GB might have room to do a GB of some of the parts required and distribute them.
Perhaps it is time for some of you guys to wind your necks in with your accusations. Also, to the Moderators, I suggest you become involved by encouraging valid questions of accountancy and forbidding unsubstantiated accusations and personal attacks. This thread should not die!
Reeler
Why? Because, for the last two years, I have been on the lookout for a pair of amps with high Bandwidth and fast Slew Rate to satisfactorily drive my Manger units. Until now the commercial amps of Goldmund and Emitter II etc are way out of my financial league. The closest I have managed to aquire so far have been Germany's AVM monos & Japan's 1984 Luxman amps.
Here lies an opportunity, not only to aquire a pair of 'Goldmund' clones but also to gain some satisfaction putting them together. My priority here is the Slew Rate/Rise time. I have never heard Goldmund but I have faith in others who have.
So now you know where I am coming from. I will probably buy the other 'improved' boards also, when they are ready.
Regarding the spitting and eyescratching going on in this thread I have to say that I am dissapointed to see firstly that it has turned into personal attacks and secondly that I believe it is not being moderated properly. The accusations of (at best) profiteering and (at worst) theft are clearly made in the interests of Oneupmanship and not necessarily with the better good of the collective group buy. For these accusations to be made on 'rumours' and in such a way so as to force the two members into an undefendable corner is despicable. The onus should be on the accusers to be able to substantiate their accusations. [This includes obtaining apples for apples prices]
It is certainly acceptable that questions should be asked, calculations made and further questions answered, but to formulate these questions under the guise of a 'full frontal attack' and for that attack NOT to be moderated properly is a poor show.
From where I'm sitting I see 250 boards to be ordered, perhaps around 200 already sold. The differing 50 still has to be paid for. Perhaps when all done and dusted, and the remaining 50 are sold, then the organisers of the GB might have room to do a GB of some of the parts required and distribute them.
Perhaps it is time for some of you guys to wind your necks in with your accusations. Also, to the Moderators, I suggest you become involved by encouraging valid questions of accountancy and forbidding unsubstantiated accusations and personal attacks. This thread should not die!
Reeler
Bigpanda, it might be a good idea if you put up a wiki page in order to keep the administration completely open. You can copy one of my recent pages as a template.
Group Buys - diyAudio
I would also really recommend you to order a 10-20 pcs. batch in order to debug the pcb's. One a my golden rules is to NOT offer non-existing pcb's.
Order a prototype run now. Order from me.
I work as a pro and I would never believe I would pull off such design in the first shot. Prototype first!
Group Buys - diyAudio
I would also really recommend you to order a 10-20 pcs. batch in order to debug the pcb's. One a my golden rules is to NOT offer non-existing pcb's.
Order a prototype run now. Order from me.
I work as a pro and I would never believe I would pull off such design in the first shot. Prototype first!
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Nagys, no need to put such energy in such but I would care if someone offers 200 defective boards. I would care far less if it was about 10-30 pcb's. The pcb designer has some responsiblity to offer a working pcb unless everybody is clear with the opposite. I think it's a really good idea to prototype first. This is normal design procedure and it's most likely not just making a clone since there are facts which the shematics doesn't reveal.
We at diyaudio consists of young and old newbies and pros of various degrees so therefore it is good if as many as possible will be able to enjoy offered designs.
We at diyaudio consists of young and old newbies and pros of various degrees so therefore it is good if as many as possible will be able to enjoy offered designs.
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Regarding point 6. I don't think the moderators will succumb to threats. Nor will will this help your popularity.
Forget about the personal attacks. To be fair I have seen personal attacks coming from both parties.
If you pull this off you will earn the respect of everyone, and more people will become interested.
Forget about the personal attacks. To be fair I have seen personal attacks coming from both parties.
If you pull this off you will earn the respect of everyone, and more people will become interested.
Regarding point 5. I think Bigpanda needs to explain himself and be completely open regarding PCB fabrication. It does look like someone is profiting out of this, which I have no problem with if the product has been proven, however this is not the case.
At this point in time if there was any profit made it should either go to Alex or diyaudio as a donation.
At this point in time if there was any profit made it should either go to Alex or diyaudio as a donation.
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Well I guess you are right. I think Nagys has burnt bridges to a point of disrepair.
As long as Nagys works his **** off to get this board stable and fuctional and manages to be successful, well I am sure people will mellow with time.
Well, I think you are right, but I was hoping Nagys might reconsider whether commiting suicide (It almost seems intentional to save face) is such a great idea.
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Salas has warned about personal attacks here. Several of you will be having posting privileges suspended (SinBin). OT and rules-breaking messages removed.So you're in charge of the group-buy now? That's new.
Ouch, but fair enough - you did mention that before most folks signed up.
Are you sure you're the right person to take over the group-buy, then?
Edit: Nevermind, I see you you yourself binned.
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