Samuel Jayaraj said:Choky, you are indeed the man of the hour!!
Where are you?
here I am,baby-sitting after all day in workshop...😉
lemme see:
164 is too wimpy
165 is Vmos (according to ECA TDV)
176 is also Mos fet
ok-you have 310,and his max. current is OK for J LTP,but I'm little suspicious with max 25V for Uds......
mebbe even two pieces of 2SJ174,also with "just" 25V Uds.........?!???? .... that seems too risky...
any J-fet with 10mA Ids and 30V Uds is probably OK
I was crying at loud for 2SJ109V iteration (max current capability) ,almost forgetting maximal dissipation -200mW for all three:GR,BL and V.....
anyway-if you can stay bellow +/- 25V (say twice 22 ?) you can use Jfet with 25V max Uds....
look at Shuro in Germany-they have 2SJ109BL....and at least one place on east (Japan,Taiwan...I can't remember right now-try some googlin'...)
I live in pretty small town (even if it's ancient) ,so money transfer to outer world is major PITA; I hope that things are something easier for ya 😉
or flip entire Aleph,so you can use some N channel Jfets-they are easier to find,and with mucho balllllssss

further:
even with 109-you absolutely must stay at twice 25V limit,just counting on possible +10% mains variations....
In Babbelfish J (even Babbelfish J is not mine- it's Papa's - again! ) left half of 109 ,with twice 25V, have some 21-22V Uds; right half have even more-some 25V ! that's pretty close to puff.......but -I can't see any other way to make it; maybe-if NP ever let us see right schmtc of Aleph J.....
but-where is fun,if not in researching ........ 😉
use cap multi if you want ; from my experience-for stereo you must have at least 120.000UF in plain CRC (say 33.000-fat R - 33.000 , all that twice).
Papa sez numerous times what are most important factors for choosing output mosfets ; U, I ,P and input capacitance (not to mention few other parameters );
in this case,I can't see why you shouldn't use 260;
460 is not good-Rds-on is waaaay too big.....
use two pairs of IRF540....they must be dirt cheap everywhere......
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addendum:
in case of two (single) Jfets in LTP- they MUST be thermally coupled
they must be tight matched (if possible-in situ) and probably you'll must use some 3,3 to 4,7UF in series with 22K feedback resistor (I like to say-DC gekoppelt 😉 )
for Fostex-es ....you can make Mini Aleph J-say wih Iq of 1 to 2A (what you like) and -say- twice 15 to 20 V.......
I suspect that your donuts are not so hard to unwound few turns,or even to rewound entire secs .......
in that case choice of LTP Jfets isn't critical,so you can use J310......
this days I'll beg,kill,and rape donkey for few matched 174 or 310 or ,God forbidden, 2SJ109-s...........😉
Shuro is ,I hope , close enough....... ;(
10W of A muscless is pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeenty......

in case of two (single) Jfets in LTP- they MUST be thermally coupled
they must be tight matched (if possible-in situ) and probably you'll must use some 3,3 to 4,7UF in series with 22K feedback resistor (I like to say-DC gekoppelt 😉 )
for Fostex-es ....you can make Mini Aleph J-say wih Iq of 1 to 2A (what you like) and -say- twice 15 to 20 V.......
I suspect that your donuts are not so hard to unwound few turns,or even to rewound entire secs .......
in that case choice of LTP Jfets isn't critical,so you can use J310......
this days I'll beg,kill,and rape donkey for few matched 174 or 310 or ,God forbidden, 2SJ109-s...........😉
Shuro is ,I hope , close enough....... ;(
10W of A muscless is pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeenty......

Choky, from what you say, it appears that J111 is a better candidate. I have 3 pieces at hand and can order for more either from RS or Farnell. What do you say?
Since you mentioned the Mini-Aleph, don't the JFET Alephs sound better in the mids/highs than the former? I suspect they do!?
Since you mentioned the Mini-Aleph, don't the JFET Alephs sound better in the mids/highs than the former? I suspect they do!?
So has anyone here other than Nelson actually gotten one of these amps working yet? Come on guys this is a simple design.....🙄 .... now this threads at 43 pages.....
Mark
Mark
Mark, one of these is playing sweet music for Choky who built his version with J109s for the input pair. He compares the performance of this amp with the best of his tube gear!!
Samuel Jayaraj said:Choky, from what you say, it appears that J111 is a better candidate. I have 3 pieces at hand and can order for more either from RS or Farnell. What do you say?
Since you mentioned the Mini-Aleph, don't the JFET Alephs sound better in the mids/highs than the former? I suspect they do!?
Samuel
j111 is,according to ECA etc. ,is N Jfet
you can use it only if you make upside down Aleph J (P channels for outputs etc....)
I mentioned Mini Aleph J (with JFETS on input)
mini is still Aleph-just scaled down with current and voltage...
as I say- you can make Mini J 0with just decreased voltage...say 2x 20 V,and you then have much broader choice for input Jfets....
I tried mine mono Babbelfish also as Mini- with 1A Iq and 2x15V
all combinations are possible with voltage and current and number of output devices.....that's brilliant in that design-you can make wall with your bricks,but solidity is still there...
Mark
-I made it,in fact just one channel and just breadbord,but it works
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=845666#post845666
my friend Oly is now dedicated to PCBs (and he's good in that);
I have 800VA donut (and another for KSA ),caps,Oak for case,sinks,vents etc......
as soon I have PCBs on my bench,I'll make it
btw -did you forget me-with your generous offer?

choky said:
look at Shuro in Germany-they have 2SJ109BL....and at least one place on east (Japan,Taiwan...I can't remember right now-try some googlin'...).
2SJ109BL are available in Italy and France too at around 3-4 euros each if somebody is interested....
massimo said:
2SJ109BL are available in Italy and France too at around 3-4 euros each if somebody is interested....
just paste URLs here
choky said:just paste URLs here
Here they have GR only http://www.selectronic.fr/
Then http://www.elecdif.com/product_info.php?products_id=32979 but they don't specify any Idss
group
Last Italy: http://www.lelettronicaasti.it/ Here they have BL, for sure, as I buoght them recently.
But pls do not dry up my precious source.....
😉
massimo said:But you need "V"....
I'm probably getting a couple of "V" in few weeks..... 😉
like I said in one of my last posts-you don't need "V",just because dissipation is limiting factor ;
with almost 25V of Ugs in Aleph J, I can't think of more than 7mA through one jFet (half of 109) ,just because Pmax is 200mW.........so "V" iteration is ,say,welcome ,but not so necessary in Babbelfish LTP....
conclusion: "BL" is adequate and "V" is just more than adequate 😉
Choky and others, I had recently got some 2N5461 P-channel FETs from RS. I think I could go ahead with the Pass JFET amp using these in place of J109s. What do you think??
Thanks!!
Thanks!!
in that case (with 5461) you must match them veeeery tight
do not use more than 5mA per Jfet in any case (best way is to initially set CCS without Jfets)
and- you'll must use DC decoupling in feedback rail (2,2 or 3,3UF in series with 22K resistor).
do not use more than 5mA per Jfet in any case (best way is to initially set CCS without Jfets)
and- you'll must use DC decoupling in feedback rail (2,2 or 3,3UF in series with 22K resistor).
heatsink question
Hi!
I would like to use a separated heatsink for the JFet, but I don't know how "big" need for 7 W?
Would be a 50x50x20mm PC processor heatsink enough?
Tyimo
Hi!
I would like to use a separated heatsink for the JFet, but I don't know how "big" need for 7 W?
Would be a 50x50x20mm PC processor heatsink enough?
Tyimo
Re: heatsink question
With a fan, yes.
Tyimo said:I would like to use a separated heatsink for the JFet, but I don't know how "big" need for 7 W?
Would be a 50x50x20mm PC processor heatsink enough?
With a fan, yes.
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