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Originally Posted by Doppelkopf View Post
I think , like Ralf do , your Highoutput MC is not the right thing for paradise .
I would try an cheap/used or lent Low MC .
It was not designed for high output carts but it works wondefully with a DL160 with 1.6mv output, so that does not seem to be the problem.
Testing a Low MC could isolate the problem .
Maybe 1.6mV is OK , 2mV is too much ?
Originally Posted by Doppelkopf View Post
I think , like Ralf do , your Highoutput MC is not the right thing for paradise .
I would try an cheap/used or lent Low MC .
It was not designed for high output carts but it works wondefully with a DL160 with 1.6mv output, so that does not seem to be the problem.
Testing a Low MC could isolate the problem .
Maybe 1.6mV is OK , 2mV is too much ?
2mV at the input of the Paradise gives somewhat more then 2V at the output.
The only thing that goes down is overload margin. Say there is a music peak cut at plus 20dB ( x 10 ). The paradise will put out 20V but that is at the edge of what it can handle.
This will only happen on a few extreme records, say from RR or Telarc.
I whould say a cart with 2mV at 5cm-sec is the maximum i would use with the Paradise.
The only thing that goes down is overload margin. Say there is a music peak cut at plus 20dB ( x 10 ). The paradise will put out 20V but that is at the edge of what it can handle.
This will only happen on a few extreme records, say from RR or Telarc.
I whould say a cart with 2mV at 5cm-sec is the maximum i would use with the Paradise.
If you have a fast true RMS meter you could put it behind the Paradise and measure with a
very dynamic record what actually happens. You can also put a scope there.
Overloading the Paradise is unlikely but what will your power amp do with 20V P-P input ?
You really need an attenuator behind the Paradise in those cases.
very dynamic record what actually happens. You can also put a scope there.
Overloading the Paradise is unlikely but what will your power amp do with 20V P-P input ?
You really need an attenuator behind the Paradise in those cases.
Many thanks Alfred. I would like to support the other requests regarding your signature - if you could keep links to the most recent guides in your signature that would make it a lot easier to find. Or may be it could be updated in the first post of this thread.
Sven
working on it....
wav is cool.
If we listen to it we might identify the problem
Hi, I made the files, but cant attach them.
Zip the files nd post the ZIP
UUHH, that was difficult. But here they are. I have only 1 side (right chanal) so you hear only the voice.
"original" is the part of the grenn apple limited edition directly from apple records digial remastered
"Paradise" is the part of a MFSL Abbey Road album nearly new (one time played), Benz mirco silver 2g Tracking force, input Paradise: 2,7nF bridged with 1,2kOhm.
Do you need further information?
Attachments
The tracks are very short so it is difficult to judge.
Do you mean 2.zip is a digital file ?
In the 1.zip, comming from the paradise I do not notice any "electronics nasties"... What is your TT / Arm combo ?
I would look at VTA / Antiskating / VTF.
VTA is determinant in Benz carts.
PS:
The Benz micro silver always had a somehow coarse high freq response IMO.... I sold mine because of that.
Do you mean 2.zip is a digital file ?
In the 1.zip, comming from the paradise I do not notice any "electronics nasties"... What is your TT / Arm combo ?
I would look at VTA / Antiskating / VTF.
VTA is determinant in Benz carts.
PS:
The Benz micro silver always had a somehow coarse high freq response IMO.... I sold mine because of that.
The tracks are very short so it is difficult to judge.
Do you mean 2.zip is a digital file ?
In the 1.zip, comming from the paradise I do not notice any "electronics nasties"... What is your TT / Arm combo ?
I would look at VTA / Antiskating / VTF.
VTA is determinant in Benz carts.
PS:
The Benz micro silver always had a somehow coarse high freq response IMO.... I sold mine because of that.
Yes you are right 1.zip is Paradise and 2.zip the digital.
My turntable is a Dual 1019, nearly original, but the tonearm is carbon.
VTA is unadjustble, it´s fixed
Antiskating is 2 as recommended with 2g tracking force.
VTF 2g
I had an tube-phono-pre before, but can´t remember any harshness like this.
But I am realy a novice in turntables so it could be a missadjusting.
Libby, please try something between 100-300 OHM instead of the 1,2 kOHM across the input.
I had tried 100R. It was quiet, but not better. But will retry again.
Maybe your tube phono was hiding some high freq detail.... or your riaa caps are not perfectly dimensioned.Yes you are right 1.zip is Paradise and 2.zip the digital.
My turntable is a Dual 1019, nearly original, but the tonearm is carbon.
VTA is unadjustble, it´s fixed
Antiskating is 2 as recommended with 2g tracking force.
VTF 2g
I had an tube-phono-pre before, but can´t remember any harshness like this.
But I am realy a novice in turntables so it could be a missadjusting.
Did you measure the riaa caps before building ?
What is the value of the 11nF caps ? These are the high freq cap and a very small difference from spec can cause really nasty high freq peaks.
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