Papst GS38 GS 38.09 3809 in which turntable models in use and what motor replacement?

[tiefbassuebertr]

Papst "GS 38.09" - in which turntable models in use and what motor replacement of today's available motor versions ?

Datasheet and schematic of this DC motor are to find in post #29 under
Fixing or replacing a Papst GS 38.09 in a HK ST-8?
Hall sensor datasheet (SBV566) and image of the PCB with motor inductors (winding coils) are in post #21 from the same thread
Step-by-step instructions for replacement of SBV-566 hall generator by a currently available but not PIN compatible type are here:
Dual EDS 1000-2 defekt - hall ersatz? - DUAL << Plattenspieler und Plattenwechsler >> DUAL - Dual-Board.de
Commonly replacement ideas are mentioned in the above mentioned thread.

I find out the record player/turntable models as follow:

1) SOTA, e. g. Sapphire
Sota Turntables – Full-line of U.S. made turntables and accessories
The "naked Sota" some notes from a refurb.- Vinyl Engine
Index of /amp-etc/record/sota/jpeg
2) Oracle e. g. Delphi MK-2 and Alexandria
https://493bd2cc-7df8-478d-aa2a-5e9...d/a191a2_281ac73cff174f948e8bafa8e475f638.pdf
https://www.oracle-audio.com/products
https://www.audioanalogicodeportugal.net/t13501-oracle-delphi-a-fenix-renascida
https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/viewtopic.php?t=51792
https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/viewtopic.php?t=82727
http://www.sonicartaudio.com/Oracle_upgrades.htm
Oracle Delphi MK II Mods
https://skyfiaudio.com/products/ora...th-oracle-prelude-tonearm-and-grado-cartridge
3) Harman Kardon RABCO Series e. g. ST-7/ST-8, DC motor order codes 60130174/01730001 (Motor Alignment/Motor-Pulley Assy)
https://www.audioasylum.com/images/ST7_tech.pdf
https://manualzz.com/doc/24798113/harman-kardon-rabco-st-7-technical-manual
https://www.vintageshifi.com/repert...f=Harman-Kardon-Rabco-ST-8-Service-Manual.pdf
https://www.audiovintage.fr/leforum/viewtopic.php?t=1513&start=60
https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/...ws-to-close-to-correct-still-too-fast.149040/
https://pinkfishmedia.net/forum/threads/guess-what-turntable.155204/
http://www.hifi-forum.de/viewthread-26-15576.html
https://worldradiohistory.com/hd2/I...o-IDX/IDX/70s/Audio-1977-01-OCR-Page-0074.pdf
https://servlib.com/harman-kardon/audio/st-7-rabco.html
4) Michell/Transrotor (various models)
Michell e. g. Transcriptor Hydraulic Reference
https://www.michell-engineering.co.uk/about-michell
Transrotor e. g. Golden Shadow and Murano
https://old-fidelity-forum.de/thread-9597.html
https://old-fidelity-forum.de/thread-9597-page-4.html
http://www.hifi-forum.de/viewthread-8-7765.html
5) Ariston RD11
https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/viewtopic.php?t=7816&start=24
6) MRM Source Turntable
http://thesourceturntable.blogspot.com/p/gallery.html
http://thesourceturntable.blogspot.com
https://www.hifiwigwam.com/forum/topic/140199-source-mrm/
https://www.hifiwigwam.com/forum/topic/140199-source-mrm/page/4/
https://www.facebook.com/The-Source-MRM-Audio-Products-2200768929980176/

Unfortunately not in all charges of the previous mentioned brands and models is this motor in use. Transrotor e. g. uses in other charges of the same models a synchronous motor from Crouzet (82-330 series) - go to
https://media.crouzet.com/datasheet...que-8-mnm-0-42-watts-Part number-82330582.pdf

Follow questions rises up:

1) What other models uses this DC motor from Papst (I think, there are a lot of additional brands/models) ?
2) Are there universal replacement kits, when the motor don't longer work ?

Thanks for any hints - in the follow posts I will upload several images which clearly show that this Papst DC motor version mentioned in the title was really used.

 

[tiefbassuebertr]

SOTA Sapphire

internal images

 

[tiefbassuebertr]

Oracle Delphi MK-2 and Alexandria

Oracle Delphi MK-2 and Alexandria

 

[tiefbassuebertr]

Harman Kardon RABCO ST7/ST8 and Papst 3809 Outdoor Unit

Harman Kardon RABCO ST7/ST8 and Papst 3809 Outdoor Unit

 

[johnmath]

Origin Live make a universal DC motor kit as a replacement for nearly all belt drive turntables. I have fitted one to a Linn LP 12, but that was years ago and I don't recall much about it, although the client was extremely happy with the deck after I serviced it.

Origin Live Turntable Motor & Power Supply Upgrade

 

[tiefbassuebertr]

Michell/Transrotor Papst 3809 DC Motor vs. CROUZET Synchronous AC Motor

Michell/Transrotor Papst 3809 DC Motor vs. CROUZET Synchronous AC Motor

 

[tiefbassuebertr]

Michell/Transrotor Papst 3809 DC Motor vs. CROUZET Synchronous AC Motor additional images

 

[tiefbassuebertr]

Ariston RD11 (RD eleven)

Ariston RD11 (RD eleven)

 

[tiefbassuebertr]

Ariston RD11 (RD eleven) Motor Papst 3809

Ariston RD11 (RD eleven) Motor Papst 3809

 

[tiefbassuebertr]

MRM Source Turntable

MRM Source Turntable

 

[johnmath]

I put an LP12 motor and pulley with a Vinyl Passion power supply into an Ariston RD11S. I had to extend the switch loom, but other than that the result was excellent.

 

[tiefbassuebertr]

I put an LP12 motor and pulley with a Vinyl Passion power supply into an Ariston RD11S. I had to extend the switch loom, but other than that the result was excellent.

Excellent work. Unfortunately I can't read the web address on the control PCB for the motor.

Currently there is an offer from Germany for brand new Papst NOS DC motor versions:
Papst Motor GS 38.09 in Berlin - Wilmersdorf | Weitere Audio & Hifi Komponenten gebraucht kaufen | eBay Kleinanzeigen
The attached image I receive by a PM from the offerer.

 

[as_audio]

"Vinyl Passion"
Vinyl Passion Custom Turntables , Linn LP-12

 

[ralphfcooke]

Making the assumption that the motor bearings aren't significantly worn I don't see any reason these motors can't be kept in running order by any competent electronics technician, especially if a substitute hall effect sensor is available.

 

[as_audio]

Add to post 1 Audiolabor konstant and Brinkmann Avance.

 

[tiefbassuebertr]

in post #32 under
https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/ana...g-papst-gs-38-09-hk-st-8-a-4.html#post6816039
you will find my own schematic with details to all voltages.