Then i suggest you to read, learn and understand more about room acoustics. An Increase of Height, width and depth of imaging can be accomplished if the boundary and late reflections in a small room being managed, where the sound reflect and being absorbed just enough and not to interfere with the orginal signal too much.
Even though i agree that you can improve the height, width and depth with a more suitable speakers, electronics and cables, i do think the best investment is the room acoustics, as the sound will only get better with better equipments.
For example if your side wallls are untreated, then a narrow dispersion speakers would most likely present a wider imaging than wide dispersion speakers.
Tubes and especially Single ended do project sounds of instruments with better dimensions than solid state.
Dac such as denafrips ares II when compared to topping dx7s will project a wider, deeper and expansive imaging.
But the problem is, if your room interfering too much with the sound, then those things will present a much smaller margin of differences than it should.
That fact is clear.
You have a very wrong concept of what acoustics does. Every professional disagrees with your concept.
Do they even make that girl and guitar type of thing anymore? PJ Harvey Wang Dang Doodle?
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He's been told this several times. It doesn't match with his concept of acoustics, so it's "wrong".
I have no problem with someone with a misconception. I do have a big problem when they cling to it in the face of massive evidence to the contrary. This is not a person that will accept help, other than that which matches what he wants to do anyway.
It's like someone who has been diagnosed with cancer. He says, "I want to get rid of the cancer and live a long life!" So, he asks for a solution, the doctor says chemo and radiation. But he's read that if you jump 50 times a day on a trampoline, you won't need chemo and radiation. Clearly a more attractive solution! Also one that won't help him reach his goal. But when anyone suggests that jumping on a tramp will not help, and he really should take the chemo and radiation, the advise is rejected, regardless of any medical evidence or established practice. It no longer matters that the goal, "to live a long life" won't be achieved, because of a belief system that cannot be adjusted. In that case the only thing you can do that would be acceptable would be to suggest a particular brand of trampoline, then argue what kind of springs give the jumper the best height.
There's really nothing more to do or say. He want's to play with speakers and amplifiers. I say, "Go nuts!". And if you want an added sense of height, put each speaker on a stack of books on acoustics. At least they'll do something you want.
Fortunately we can listen to old vinyls, CDs, radio and even learn to use streaming services.
A modern girl with a guitar - Allison Young
I was watching the video of post 518 and unfortunately I don't understand much of spoken English and less so of the USA, hopefully some of the "British".... But one thing is for sure, even if the room is small, lecturer´s system sound must better than an AVR and a couple of Piccolos.... well anyone, eh ! 😱
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Juhazi, do you have any idea if the girl with the guitar has already released a million copies on CD or if it's a trending topic on some social network ?
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Nope, just an EP. Her Youtube channel is rather popular and she has also sang with Postmodern Jukebox and Josh Turner. I think this version of Fever is fabulous!
And about hifi and soundstagewise, these minimally manipulated homebound recordings are very intimate.
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Cables can make a difference in the sound stage???? No way that is possible. So that's why I take a lot of the comments and advice on this forum with a grain of salt.
Lots of people with lots of opinions and most of that simply based on what they have read from other people.
I know you are trying to help, so thanks, but I'm still not sold on much of what has been posted here, particularly with regard to the value of room treatments.
No, I understand exactly the principles that are being put forth. The real question is will doing all of those things really make much of a difference, if any, in my listening room. And is the visual distraction that they cause compared to a minor sound difference worth it to me.
Returning to my original post, I'm looking to increase the sound stage and none of these room treatments do that. In fact, I can see where they could possibly have the opposite effect.
So, convince me somehow that room treatments will increase the sound stage and then you will have my interest in pursuing them.
CF, you said one of your problems with room treatment was the window on one side and also the ‘visual distraction’……there are sound absorbing curtains (some even custom made in fabric of your choice) and if your anything like me most of my critical listening is done after dark so nothing to see there!
And on the other wall a nice tapestry rug of your liking, or they have deep framed portraits that look just like a painting (or even one of your own photographs), front wall could be one of those cool looking multi-sized wood blocks, or even a fabric over insulation faux wall.
There is no need for it to be ugly
and to your other point, unwanted reflections blur the focus which is the foundation of your ‘soundstage’……some reflection is good…….all reflections not so much. You really should study it a little more before dismissing it.
And on the other wall a nice tapestry rug of your liking, or they have deep framed portraits that look just like a painting (or even one of your own photographs), front wall could be one of those cool looking multi-sized wood blocks, or even a fabric over insulation faux wall.
There is no need for it to be ugly
and to your other point, unwanted reflections blur the focus which is the foundation of your ‘soundstage’……some reflection is good…….all reflections not so much. You really should study it a little more before dismissing it.
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Thanks for the suggestions, but they don't quite work for me. I actually do some of my listening in the daytime and really enjoy the daylight coming in as well as the view of the trees and sky outside. It adds a pleasant element to the experience versus a close drape, which I would not like. And the wall opposite the windows is a large double sliding closet door. So, hanging anything on it would prevent being able to open it.
I'm just not sold on the value of these room treatments for me. Particularly, since I'm very happy with room sound as is. I just want to expand the sound stage for now. That's it. The room is fine.
If you don't understand that room treatment WILL make a difference, then you don't understand the principles being put forth either.
Room treatments don't have to be visual distractions. They can be almost invisible. But, if you're not interested in room treatments you wouldn't know that.
This is just incorrect. Sorry you think that, but even more sorry your mind is closed to the possibility.
Impossible. Mind is closed to all input from others that is outside of your concept. The discussion of the effects of acoustics on sound reproduction is well documented in techical literature, AES papers, and many posts. If you want to be convinced, do your own research. Only then will you accept the concepts. The value of knowledge is proportional to the effort taken to acquire it. No effort, no value, and that's where you are right now. Even if you were 'force-fed', it wouldn't sink in. Every effort to convey the information already has been met with rejection. What has changed with this post? It's already been proven that nobody can "convince you". I don't need your interest in pursuing room treatments. The only problem here is you keep asking for better soundstage yet reject, as a concept, that the room has any effect at all. Nobody can change that misconception but you, as those of us who have already tried have proven.
...having never experienced the alternative.
...and there it is. One thing desired, the solution rejected.
We're done.
Sorry if I you mean about my recent posts. but I don't think that they made any harm in this thread. Discussion has rambled far off from the OP's question and too much frustration and aggression happens...Troll, only this.....
I feel lots of sympathy for classicalfan. Being a classical fan myself and using dipole multiway speakers, I kind of feel like knowing what (s)he is looking for! My previous contribution has been promoting Linkwitz LXminis with subs, but CF answered that he objects them visually. I don't believe that any acoustic "treatment" of the room could give same effect in such a small room, and CF objects them too. So the basic question is at dead end in my eyes too.
ps. "Crazy" has 3.6 million views in Youtube
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You are the owner of thinking what you want regarding the OP, for me it is evident his attitude of extending a thread continually objecting to all the solutions that have been proposed to him. And again. We all know the definition of troll, just do a search. But I will not be the one who feeds your game. By the way, I don't understand what you mean by the reference to "Crazy" and its 3.6 million followers... But it doesn't matter. My question was ironic about the artistic virtues of the girl in the first video. In the second things seem to improve. The followers are not a guarantee of anything, many people went to war of their own free will.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
Application of the term troll is subjective. Some readers may characterize a post as trolling, while others may regard the same post as a legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial.[citation needed] More potent acts of trolling are blatant harassment or off-topic banter;[citation needed] however, the term internet troll has also been applied to information warfare, hate speech, and even political activism.[7]
Application of the term troll is subjective. Some readers may characterize a post as trolling, while others may regard the same post as a legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial.[citation needed] More potent acts of trolling are blatant harassment or off-topic banter;[citation needed] however, the term internet troll has also been applied to information warfare, hate speech, and even political activism.[7]