Lars,
Do your modules/PSU allow for momentary push button type switches? ie. a latched relay type operation or similar?
Here's the switch I'll be using:
http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp?SKU=4303076&N=0
And the datasheet:
http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/36350.pdf
I believe Hypex has a softstart module that allows the use of one of these push buttons:
http://www.hypex.nl/docs/softstart.pdf
Also do you have a delay to avoid turn on/off thumps? I plan on running active so the last thing I want is a nasty turn on transient making its way to a tweeter.
Thanks
Ant
Do your modules/PSU allow for momentary push button type switches? ie. a latched relay type operation or similar?
Here's the switch I'll be using:
http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp?SKU=4303076&N=0
And the datasheet:
http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/36350.pdf
I believe Hypex has a softstart module that allows the use of one of these push buttons:
http://www.hypex.nl/docs/softstart.pdf
Also do you have a delay to avoid turn on/off thumps? I plan on running active so the last thing I want is a nasty turn on transient making its way to a tweeter.
Thanks
Ant
ShinOBIWAN: I am sorry, at this point i don't have a soft start circuit in my programme, so nowhere to connect the pushbutton.
But the modules will accept a soft start circuit with no problems.
There are no start / stop bumps from the amplifiers, only a very small 'click' when the microprocessor turns the amplifier on.
But the modules will accept a soft start circuit with no problems.
There are no start / stop bumps from the amplifiers, only a very small 'click' when the microprocessor turns the amplifier on.
Thanks Lars,
Is the Hypex softstart fully compatible with your module/PSU?
I'm gathering up bits for 6 monoblocks based around your NCD1 but just want to be sure that the Hypex ones will work before spending good money.
Is the Hypex softstart fully compatible with your module/PSU?
I'm gathering up bits for 6 monoblocks based around your NCD1 but just want to be sure that the Hypex ones will work before spending good money.
Lars Clausen said:Anzgar: I can make a special power supply for you, where you can change from one to the other, by removing or mounting the series MOSFET.
All the best from
Lars
Thanks, that's very kind of you!Do you want me to remind you when approaching the 15th of august?
😀
I have already made it a note in my calendar, AND my task board, where it will not disappear from, until i manually delete it. 😀
Just tonight i have been working through the protection system, and made very hard stress tests to a module. And i must say the 'full software control' has proven very helpful, and even more worthy than i had expected. Anyway it's incredible how much abuse the modules will take, i tested repeated peak currents of about 150 Ampere, every 3 seconds for half an hour.
Even at artificially elevated temperature of 90 deg. C on the output stage, it survived the stress test without a glitch.
(The module got 90 deg hot producing 100 Watts in 4 Ohms for about 20 minutes, without any heat sink connected to it). (Not recommended operation condition!)
During the whole stress test so far, i didn't burn out a module even one single time. (Pure Luck! 😀)
Just tonight i have been working through the protection system, and made very hard stress tests to a module. And i must say the 'full software control' has proven very helpful, and even more worthy than i had expected. Anyway it's incredible how much abuse the modules will take, i tested repeated peak currents of about 150 Ampere, every 3 seconds for half an hour.
Even at artificially elevated temperature of 90 deg. C on the output stage, it survived the stress test without a glitch.
(The module got 90 deg hot producing 100 Watts in 4 Ohms for about 20 minutes, without any heat sink connected to it). (Not recommended operation condition!)
During the whole stress test so far, i didn't burn out a module even one single time. (Pure Luck! 😀)
Lars Clausen said:I would say: Yes, the Hypex Soft Start will work fine with NewClassD modules.
But will a softstart be needed?
Which is preferable, the 6 wire or the 4 wire? The 4 wire seems to be simpler...
That's going to depend on the transformer you get, and how lazy you are (how often you like changing fuses or re setting the breaker).
Try giving the forum a search for soft start, and you'll find the debate repeated a good number of times to help you answer that question.
Try giving the forum a search for soft start, and you'll find the debate repeated a good number of times to help you answer that question.
I'm LAZY... thats why I've never built an amp before.... 😀
Then I should use a soft start as well... 😎
Then I should use a soft start as well... 😎
I don't think it's important to include a soft start in an amplifier that draws nearly zero current in the start moment.In a class A amp that has an initial current of several amps it's otoh definitely valuable.
I like the softstart, just to control the in-rush to the power supply.
Keeps the power supply from drawing large amounts of current just to charge the caps.
Maybe for home use this isn't that important, but for portable field use it can be a problem.
Keeps the power supply from drawing large amounts of current just to charge the caps.
Maybe for home use this isn't that important, but for portable field use it can be a problem.
Hi Gary
The modules have to comply with CE regulations for RF emission, (EN-61000 limits) meaning almost no emission is allowed between 1.5MHz and 1GHz (airborn with wires connected) and 0.15 - 15MHz wire carried. So if you follow the instruction provided with the modules, you shouldn't worry about any disturbances.
Furthermore it's a big day today, 🙂 the first module passed all 21 points in the safety test, without a glitch. And through the entire safety test work, though stressed out and abused,
no modules were injured or damaged. 😎 It's stable...
You can see the safety test [Here]
The modules have to comply with CE regulations for RF emission, (EN-61000 limits) meaning almost no emission is allowed between 1.5MHz and 1GHz (airborn with wires connected) and 0.15 - 15MHz wire carried. So if you follow the instruction provided with the modules, you shouldn't worry about any disturbances.
Furthermore it's a big day today, 🙂 the first module passed all 21 points in the safety test, without a glitch. And through the entire safety test work, though stressed out and abused,

You can see the safety test [Here]
Lars Clausen said:
Furthermore it's a big day today, 🙂 the first module passed all 21 points in the safety test, without a glitch.
Congratulations!! That is very impressive, and good news indeed.
If I can find a way to deal with the low input impedance, I'm just going to have to jump in and give these a try.
Thanks,
Gary Dahl
Anzgar said:I don't think it's important to include a soft start in an amplifier that draws nearly zero current in the start moment.In a class A amp that has an initial current of several amps it's otoh definitely valuable.
Seriously, look around the forum, it's been debated to death, there's a need for them, especially with larger toroidal transformers, plitron would recommend one at anything above 300VA.
Regardless of the load a toroid transformer has a huge inrush current. In theory the peak voltage divided by primary DC resistance => muchAnzgar said:I don't think it's important to include a soft start in an amplifier that draws nearly zero current in the start moment.In a class A amp that has an initial current of several amps it's otoh definitely valuable.
Yes, very much!
The inrush problem stems from toroidal construction with its severe limits on magnetic flux density at saturation, in other words a brick wall and no more magnetic energy can be stored. Inductance drops drastically at saturation leaving only the very low primary DC resistance to limit current. Actually this is not true as house wiring and such does pose limits. I don't know about you but I would feel better not having my house wiring be what sets this limit!
With high power toroids there is another problem relating to residual magnetism being left in the core. This can cause very high inrush currents even with no load. I see and hear it with my variac all the time.
Roger
The inrush problem stems from toroidal construction with its severe limits on magnetic flux density at saturation, in other words a brick wall and no more magnetic energy can be stored. Inductance drops drastically at saturation leaving only the very low primary DC resistance to limit current. Actually this is not true as house wiring and such does pose limits. I don't know about you but I would feel better not having my house wiring be what sets this limit!
With high power toroids there is another problem relating to residual magnetism being left in the core. This can cause very high inrush currents even with no load. I see and hear it with my variac all the time.
Roger
How about this combo?
Softstart + DC-filter from LC-A:
http://www.lcaudio.com/index.php?page=12
Transformer from ELFA (Sweden):
http://www.elfa.se/elfa-bin/setpage.pl?htt...dok=2021854.htm
2 NewClassD modules + power supply:
http://www.newclassd.com/index.php?page=2
And then a chassi, contacts and cables…
Softstart + DC-filter from LC-A:
http://www.lcaudio.com/index.php?page=12
Transformer from ELFA (Sweden):
http://www.elfa.se/elfa-bin/setpage.pl?htt...dok=2021854.htm
2 NewClassD modules + power supply:
http://www.newclassd.com/index.php?page=2
And then a chassi, contacts and cables…
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