It's iPod not Ipod, get it right man. 😉
Too much generalization. I never had an iPod until the university had a deal to get one basically free with a new laptop that I was buying anyway. So then I tried it out and I was sold. There are many like this and word of mouth can be a big factor. Granted, word of mouth is another force (peer pressure type) but it is not direct advertising by the producer. Hard to say how many bought them because they were looking for a good mp3 player and how many bought (or asked parents to buy) because everyone else has one so they 'needed' one too.
-SL
Too much generalization. I never had an iPod until the university had a deal to get one basically free with a new laptop that I was buying anyway. So then I tried it out and I was sold. There are many like this and word of mouth can be a big factor. Granted, word of mouth is another force (peer pressure type) but it is not direct advertising by the producer. Hard to say how many bought them because they were looking for a good mp3 player and how many bought (or asked parents to buy) because everyone else has one so they 'needed' one too.
-SL
The iPod made it big for a bunch of reasons. One is obviously because it can allow you to put your whole music collection in the palm of your hand and take it anywhere. Plus, it sounds good with high bitrate files (contrary to those of you who say it sounds crappy). It's not meant to rival your high end home audio system in terms of quality, but is surprisingly good and is visually appealing as well. Basically, apple got it right, and many people seem to agree.
sounds good?
" ... Plus, it sounds good with high bitrate files (contrary to those of you who say it sounds crappy). ..."
... especially last years model iPods with the FireWire ports = very fast transfers of large files like 24 bit / 96k wav, etc.
Garbage in = garbage out, unless you put the good stuff in, you won't get the good stuff out ...
I know several musicians who lay down high rez 24 bit x 96k tracks directly into their computers, then xfer to iPods, then take 'em into the studio for the final mix = transport = sneaker ware as opposed to Ethernet 'netware 😎
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FirewireAudiophile-main.html >>> to http://www.apple.com/imac/ >>> to http://www.apple.com/ipod/ipod.html >>> to the streets ...
" ... Plus, it sounds good with high bitrate files (contrary to those of you who say it sounds crappy). ..."
... especially last years model iPods with the FireWire ports = very fast transfers of large files like 24 bit / 96k wav, etc.
Garbage in = garbage out, unless you put the good stuff in, you won't get the good stuff out ...
I know several musicians who lay down high rez 24 bit x 96k tracks directly into their computers, then xfer to iPods, then take 'em into the studio for the final mix = transport = sneaker ware as opposed to Ethernet 'netware 😎
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FirewireAudiophile-main.html >>> to http://www.apple.com/imac/ >>> to http://www.apple.com/ipod/ipod.html >>> to the streets ...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Advancement?
I think I have made this point earlier that technical superiority really doesn't make or break a product. There are many facets to a product, as the market is diverse enough. and technical performance is just one of many such attributes on which the product is judged.
So it is not surprising that some technically superior products died in the market place as they were judged inferior in their totality, in spite of their excellence in one or two areas.
Conversely, technically inferior products may offer other superior attributes that consumers want and that make them excel in the market place. You just listed a few good examples of such.
classd4sure said:
I think I have made this point earlier that technical superiority really doesn't make or break a product. There are many facets to a product, as the market is diverse enough. and technical performance is just one of many such attributes on which the product is judged.
So it is not surprising that some technically superior products died in the market place as they were judged inferior in their totality, in spite of their excellence in one or two areas.
Conversely, technically inferior products may offer other superior attributes that consumers want and that make them excel in the market place. You just listed a few good examples of such.
another way to look at it, more often than not, we don't buy the highest performing computers, or the fastest cars, or lest distorting amplifiers, etc.
We purposely buy low-performance things because they tend to offer a good balance of performance and other attributes that best satisfy our needs: affordable prices, good customer interface, better services, ease of maintenance, compact size, better looks, etc.
Performance usually is just one of many elements that go into our decision making.
We purposely buy low-performance things because they tend to offer a good balance of performance and other attributes that best satisfy our needs: affordable prices, good customer interface, better services, ease of maintenance, compact size, better looks, etc.
Performance usually is just one of many elements that go into our decision making.
That's an interesting point.
I'm not rich so I get what's affordable and tweak the living hell out of it... did it with a trans am when I had one, do it with computers, do it with stereo's.... 🙂 Worst disease ever, sure learn alot though.
When I get it to the point where performance surpasses something of much greater expense, I'm content.
I'm not rich so I get what's affordable and tweak the living hell out of it... did it with a trans am when I had one, do it with computers, do it with stereo's.... 🙂 Worst disease ever, sure learn alot though.
When I get it to the point where performance surpasses something of much greater expense, I'm content.
I was just puzzled by the need for a cashier to count when there is no practical need for him/her to count.
Why would anyone want that, first of all?
2ndly, hiring a cashier who can count vs. one that doesn't certainly is going to cost the store owner money. And that money has to come from the customers. If the customers demand a cashier who can count but aren't willing to pay for such a cashier, what does it say about the customers?
Stepping back from this, why don't we insist on having a cashier with a PhD degrees in computer science? or a carpenter who has landed on the moon? or a cook who runs a Fortune 500 company?
I guess what exactly is the rationale to demand a cashier who can count? what utility does one derive from knowing that his or her cashier can count?
Why would anyone want that, first of all?
2ndly, hiring a cashier who can count vs. one that doesn't certainly is going to cost the store owner money. And that money has to come from the customers. If the customers demand a cashier who can count but aren't willing to pay for such a cashier, what does it say about the customers?
Stepping back from this, why don't we insist on having a cashier with a PhD degrees in computer science? or a carpenter who has landed on the moon? or a cook who runs a Fortune 500 company?
I guess what exactly is the rationale to demand a cashier who can count? what utility does one derive from knowing that his or her cashier can count?
as if apple heard us, they announced the iTV service whereby customers will be able to buy DVDs on iTunes and play them wirelessly on your TV.
This is more or less a quasi on-demand scheme. However, it gives you a glimpse into the true nature of iTunes: a distribution network of content, just like the broadcast networks, cable networks, newspapers, magazines, record stores, etc., as we discussed earlier.
If Apple keeps moving down the path, the value of iTunes will far exceed that of the rest of Apple. and that's why Disney has Jobs on its BoD.
This is another example where what will excel in the market usually are not the most technically advanced or best performing products. Something Sony and Samsung better take note of.
This is more or less a quasi on-demand scheme. However, it gives you a glimpse into the true nature of iTunes: a distribution network of content, just like the broadcast networks, cable networks, newspapers, magazines, record stores, etc., as we discussed earlier.
If Apple keeps moving down the path, the value of iTunes will far exceed that of the rest of Apple. and that's why Disney has Jobs on its BoD.
This is another example where what will excel in the market usually are not the most technically advanced or best performing products. Something Sony and Samsung better take note of.
good for Apple ...
... good for Disney, good for Jobs, good for the stock market, good for most music & video publishers, good for musicians (if the quality increases) ... and in the long run good for consumers.
The delivery on "content" to the masses gets cheaper and cheaper ... soon it will have to get much better to survive = better movies (the bad won't sell as well), better music (low quality recordings, CDs & MP3s will be driven out by better quality) ... one could hope, anyway.
I also believe that there is going to be plenty of room for some really interesting and exotic DIY projects that result from this ... both in media content (DIY movies?) nd performance (DIY save and playback systems) ...
The dawning of a new age ?? possibly 🙂
... good for Disney, good for Jobs, good for the stock market, good for most music & video publishers, good for musicians (if the quality increases) ... and in the long run good for consumers.
The delivery on "content" to the masses gets cheaper and cheaper ... soon it will have to get much better to survive = better movies (the bad won't sell as well), better music (low quality recordings, CDs & MP3s will be driven out by better quality) ... one could hope, anyway.
I also believe that there is going to be plenty of room for some really interesting and exotic DIY projects that result from this ... both in media content (DIY movies?) nd performance (DIY save and playback systems) ...
The dawning of a new age ?? possibly 🙂
as if the mkt heard us, Warner and YouTube got into a distribution agreement on digital content over the web, 🙂. I think the concept of digitally distributing content is the way to go. The key is to manage it on the other end, and more importantly, how to move it to the living room.
the ipod vs. xpod discussion is interesting in that while few, if any, mp3 players before ipod used the software (iTunes) / hardware (ipod) combination, none of those hardware only solutions survived the mkt place.
While we still assert how much iTunes sucks, all the next generation (ha!) solutions from Apple competitors are using the same software/hardware approach: LG, Microsoft and RealNetworks, to name a few.
Why? Because that is what the mkt needs, regardless how much we think iTunes sucks.
the ipod vs. xpod discussion is interesting in that while few, if any, mp3 players before ipod used the software (iTunes) / hardware (ipod) combination, none of those hardware only solutions survived the mkt place.
While we still assert how much iTunes sucks, all the next generation (ha!) solutions from Apple competitors are using the same software/hardware approach: LG, Microsoft and RealNetworks, to name a few.
Why? Because that is what the mkt needs, regardless how much we think iTunes sucks.
fokker said:
The market didn't hear us. They had it all figured out all by themselves, those bizmen. Read the "Blue Ocean Strategy" book to know more.
The market doesn't need iPod. You and I don't need iPod. People want iPod until the next better thing comes along.
Many people want high-end audio gears. Fewer want to pay the prices of Halcro stuff, for example. But people would certainly go for Halcro quality at Radio Trash prices.
The next generation of iTunes
... will have a better audio pass through scenario. There are many complaints from the musicians (Bob Dylan, etc.) and producers about the "bandwidth" of mass market CD's & iTunes & Apples "Lost Less" scenario .verses. the better quality studio master tracks already available ... ( iTunes currently being a bottleneck to 24 bit / 96K, four channel studio masters, etc. ... and of course not the only one ... but expected to be better by the content providers).
Just this week Apple pre-announced iTV (a black box / set top box / "swiss army knife" feature loaded front end for Apple's Front Row scenario ... ala Squeeze Box), that proports to have DVD-A quality audio. Expect Apple to announce another iteration of iTunes that may at last "satisfy" media & content producers & musicians complaints ... as well as our own concerns about quality.
Apple will be announcing companion products to the above including bigger HDTV & monitors & Class-D pre-amps & amps and associated speakers, etc.....
Which brings us full circle back to origin of this thread:
http://www.forbes.com/technology/20...reescale-buyout-tech-cx_ck_0915freescale.html ..." ... Blackstone was joined by The Carlyle Group ..." et al ... lizards and toads? Maybe, but it looks like diamonds as big as horse turds for Apple / FreeStyle (Blackstone) to me ...
🙂 ... and it gets better and better ... "real soon now".
... will have a better audio pass through scenario. There are many complaints from the musicians (Bob Dylan, etc.) and producers about the "bandwidth" of mass market CD's & iTunes & Apples "Lost Less" scenario .verses. the better quality studio master tracks already available ... ( iTunes currently being a bottleneck to 24 bit / 96K, four channel studio masters, etc. ... and of course not the only one ... but expected to be better by the content providers).
Just this week Apple pre-announced iTV (a black box / set top box / "swiss army knife" feature loaded front end for Apple's Front Row scenario ... ala Squeeze Box), that proports to have DVD-A quality audio. Expect Apple to announce another iteration of iTunes that may at last "satisfy" media & content producers & musicians complaints ... as well as our own concerns about quality.
Apple will be announcing companion products to the above including bigger HDTV & monitors & Class-D pre-amps & amps and associated speakers, etc.....
Which brings us full circle back to origin of this thread:
http://www.forbes.com/technology/20...reescale-buyout-tech-cx_ck_0915freescale.html ..." ... Blackstone was joined by The Carlyle Group ..." et al ... lizards and toads? Maybe, but it looks like diamonds as big as horse turds for Apple / FreeStyle (Blackstone) to me ...
🙂 ... and it gets better and better ... "real soon now".
FSA95601
Hello all, I wouldn't be so fast to poke fun at this chip, I have been evaluating the FSA95601 for an 18 channel car audio amplifier for about 2 months now, and so far we have been very impressed. Their modulator and output stage combo are capable of 55Wrms @ .007% THD+N while powered by 14.4V. Useing a custom output stage we have been able to produce much higher output power with even low THD+N. I can post some of the THD curves in a couple of days when I get the new eval board. We blew that last one up during a load dump test 🙂 .
Hello all, I wouldn't be so fast to poke fun at this chip, I have been evaluating the FSA95601 for an 18 channel car audio amplifier for about 2 months now, and so far we have been very impressed. Their modulator and output stage combo are capable of 55Wrms @ .007% THD+N while powered by 14.4V. Useing a custom output stage we have been able to produce much higher output power with even low THD+N. I can post some of the THD curves in a couple of days when I get the new eval board. We blew that last one up during a load dump test 🙂 .
Re: FSA95601
Considering that isn't even theoretically possible into a 2 ohm load with a 14.4V rail, I'd still like to see those plots. Unless you're talking about the combined output power of all 18 channels?
Photonicube said:
Considering that isn't even theoretically possible into a 2 ohm load with a 14.4V rail, I'd still like to see those plots. Unless you're talking about the combined output power of all 18 channels?
New chip ...
... specs do seem a little out of line:
" ... capable of 55Wrms @ .007% THD+N while powered by 14.4V. ..."
My spec ians would be closer to ~ 15 Watts @ ~.07 THD+N ... with considerations, as BWRX points out, might be closer to reality in usage.
The power available without sophisticated DC to DC converters and lots of filtering ... ?? ... I don't believe you can get there from here.
( I've been wrong before ... 😱 )
... specs do seem a little out of line:
" ... capable of 55Wrms @ .007% THD+N while powered by 14.4V. ..."
My spec ians would be closer to ~ 15 Watts @ ~.07 THD+N ... with considerations, as BWRX points out, might be closer to reality in usage.
The power available without sophisticated DC to DC converters and lots of filtering ... ?? ... I don't believe you can get there from here.
( I've been wrong before ... 😱 )
Re: Re: FSA95601
Hello BWRX,
You are correct 55Wrms is not possible with a 14.4V rail, I was reading values I had written down and it is 55W peak or 27.5Wrms. Thank you for the correction
BWRX said:
Hello BWRX,
You are correct 55Wrms is not possible with a 14.4V rail, I was reading values I had written down and it is 55W peak or 27.5Wrms. Thank you for the correction
Well, if there's a DC-DC converter involved then those specs could certainly be possible. I just took the "powered by 14.4V" statement as the actual rail voltage for the electronics.
Thanks for clearing that up. 27.5W sounds much more reasonable although that's still higher than it would actually be for an unclipped sine wave and a 4 ohm load. That 27.5Wrms figure is probably at 10% distortion.
Thanks for clearing that up. 27.5W sounds much more reasonable although that's still higher than it would actually be for an unclipped sine wave and a 4 ohm load. That 27.5Wrms figure is probably at 10% distortion.
it may actually be possible to ...
... drive a load with sign wave 55 watts from a 12 / 14.4 VDC power source ... but it takes a sophisticated DC to DC converter circuit and whopping big fuses & wire ... just as a matter of pure power from a 12/14 VDC source, your car's headlights = thousands of lumins from ~35 watts each, from 20 amp fuses in a 12 VDC circuit ... watts of disapated power = voltage times current = 12 X 20 = potentially 48 watts ...
but as you can see from this there is not a 20 or 25 amp fuse between the source (the battery) and the chip amp.
😕
... drive a load with sign wave 55 watts from a 12 / 14.4 VDC power source ... but it takes a sophisticated DC to DC converter circuit and whopping big fuses & wire ... just as a matter of pure power from a 12/14 VDC source, your car's headlights = thousands of lumins from ~35 watts each, from 20 amp fuses in a 12 VDC circuit ... watts of disapated power = voltage times current = 12 X 20 = potentially 48 watts ...
but as you can see from this there is not a 20 or 25 amp fuse between the source (the battery) and the chip amp.
😕
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