I was not sure where to post this soI thought this forum would be most appropriate.
I have been writing for Dolby Atmos on a 5,1 Mac. I used open core legacy patcher to get me to Moneterey. This worked but was a bit buggy and I eventually tried Ventura as this has enhanced ATMOS support in the OS. SO when my work gave me a MacBook M1 Pro, have been doing some research because I do not wish to change my RME Raydat which is PCIe.
Also not using a laptop before in the studio brings other problems such as having to unplug all the connections all the time. We have use Sonnettech computer housings at work for years, but they also make PCIe caddy as well as some very useful docks.
My Raydat was bought in 2009 and still going strong. The ports are a bit worn out but I found out I can get new ones from RME
https://www.rme-shop.com/cgi-bin/ss001802.pl?page=search&SS=toslink&PR=-1&TB=O&ACTION=Go!
So when I make the switch she will get a fresh set of ADAT connectors.
I made a couple of video of what I found on the Sonnettech website.
And some very useful thunderbolt docks.
I have been writing for Dolby Atmos on a 5,1 Mac. I used open core legacy patcher to get me to Moneterey. This worked but was a bit buggy and I eventually tried Ventura as this has enhanced ATMOS support in the OS. SO when my work gave me a MacBook M1 Pro, have been doing some research because I do not wish to change my RME Raydat which is PCIe.
Also not using a laptop before in the studio brings other problems such as having to unplug all the connections all the time. We have use Sonnettech computer housings at work for years, but they also make PCIe caddy as well as some very useful docks.
My Raydat was bought in 2009 and still going strong. The ports are a bit worn out but I found out I can get new ones from RME
https://www.rme-shop.com/cgi-bin/ss001802.pl?page=search&SS=toslink&PR=-1&TB=O&ACTION=Go!
So when I make the switch she will get a fresh set of ADAT connectors.
I made a couple of video of what I found on the Sonnettech website.
Not sure your point, or the softwar eyou are porting but as soon as i can afford it an Mx is in my future (more than one).
dave
dave
Not sure what your point is either. I just picked up a 2020 Mac mini with the M1 silicon from a local eWaste recycler (yep! someone threw that one out). It runs much smoother than my 2020 Intel i5-based MacBook Pro even though the MBP has 32 GB of RAM versus 8 GB in the mini. I use a few accessories with their own drivers and all of them worked flawlessly with the M1. I'm happy. I see a laptop with Apple silicon in my future as well.
Tom
Tom
I recall reading a FUD style article saying Apple would crawl back to Intel for chips after launching the M1 processor. A few years have passed and I have not heard a thing about poor performance from the non-intel devices.
Also my wife finally replaced her nine year old apple laptop with a M1 or M2 processor- whatever you could get with a 16 inch screen. Seems to be a wonderful device so far.
Also I feel Intel has earned the right to die as far as a company goes due to their bad behavior.
Also my wife finally replaced her nine year old apple laptop with a M1 or M2 processor- whatever you could get with a 16 inch screen. Seems to be a wonderful device so far.
Also I feel Intel has earned the right to die as far as a company goes due to their bad behavior.
The GPUs are not up to the best ones for games, but for almost everything else.
And every generation is getting better. The jump from 5 to 3nm should be a significant jump. With the issues getting the M2s out i expect we will see M3 sooner than expected and i wouldn’t be surprised if Apple pulls off an M3 Extreme.
dave
Yeah. I did pay for it, but still got a good deal.
All benchmark results I've seen for the Mx shows faster performance than the Intel CPUs. It's possible that the GPUs are slower. I wouldn't know. I'm not a gamer. I did notice that my 2020 MBP with Intel CPU, GPU can drive 4K at native resolution with a 30 Hz refresh rate whereas the M1 mini (same vintage) can drive the same monitor with 60 Hz refresh. With the M1 it's also possible to use KiCAD full-screen on the 4K monitor whereas the Intel MBP struggles to move the pixels fast enough.
Tom
Exactly!
I'm currently drooling over the M2 PRO MBP. Drooling is free, right? 🙂 The Air is a strong contender for light-to-moderate processing needs. I'd probably go for the PRO for better video editing capability.
Tom
I'm currently drooling over the M2 PRO MBP. Drooling is free, right? 🙂 The Air is a strong contender for light-to-moderate processing needs. I'd probably go for the PRO for better video editing capability.
Tom
You're just not looking at the right Intel hardware. Intel hasnprocessors that run up aroundn$20,000.00, with 40 pcie lanes, the best video you've ever seen, integrated 10g networking, 50 cores, accept 256GB ram, renders 4k in double time.. Intel is the king!
You guys are talking twinkie stuff.
You guys are talking twinkie stuff.
I worked for Intel Corp right out of college. At the time Intel was making about 40% of the world's semiconductors/CPUs. Stock split four times while I was an employee, and we bought Intel stock at 85% of the value. A few years later, almost everybody was laid-off or moved to another fab. It really sucked looking for another job when the first kid is starting high school. I vowed that I would never buy another machine with an Intel CPU.
Apple opened their first store here in 2008. I bought an iMac with an Intel CPU despite my vow. The iMac has never failed to this day as I write this message. But I'm not doing supercomputing, cruise the net, do word processing once in awhile. Retired in 2015, so the only PC laptop is for tuning software for my hotrod. No more CAD/CAM, etc. Intel isn't part of the royal family in this house.
Apple opened their first store here in 2008. I bought an iMac with an Intel CPU despite my vow. The iMac has never failed to this day as I write this message. But I'm not doing supercomputing, cruise the net, do word processing once in awhile. Retired in 2015, so the only PC laptop is for tuning software for my hotrod. No more CAD/CAM, etc. Intel isn't part of the royal family in this house.
I'm not running a supercomputer either. The Intel i5-3xxx in the Mac mini that runs my firewall/packet filter isn't breaking a sweat. Neither is the Quad Core Xeon in the "cheese grater" Mac Pro that serves as my NAS. Both of those came from the same eWaste recycler where I bought the M1 mini. The i7-8xxx in the machine that runs the APx555 audio analyzer sees a bit more action ... when it's powered on.
I took the plunge and bought an M2 PRO based MacBook Pro yesterday. It has not disappointed. I've used it for about four hours today, including a one-hour Skype call which tends to be pretty energy intensive, some software install, web surfing, email, etc. The battery has discharged from 100% to 73%. Try that on an Intel box. Or anything that runs Windoze.
All applications I've installed so far (including Microsoft Office) have been Apple Mx native. No need for Rosetta 2 yet.
Tom
I took the plunge and bought an M2 PRO based MacBook Pro yesterday. It has not disappointed. I've used it for about four hours today, including a one-hour Skype call which tends to be pretty energy intensive, some software install, web surfing, email, etc. The battery has discharged from 100% to 73%. Try that on an Intel box. Or anything that runs Windoze.
All applications I've installed so far (including Microsoft Office) have been Apple Mx native. No need for Rosetta 2 yet.
Tom
Apple is an infant compared to Intel. And vowing not to purchase the highest quality products because you got laid off from the manufacturer doesn't make rational sense, only from the point of feeble attempt at vengeance. Apple is pure hype. I have 2 lenovo laptops from 2016 that will blow away anything Mac.
And if you're talking about benchmarks, they are not valid across archtectures! You have to use the same OS and architecture, like AMD and Intel on Windows. MacOS is open-source software, developed at UC Berkeley, called BSD UNIX.
APPLE just writes a few proprietary tools for installation, adds some window dressing and dessert topping, but it doesn't write the MacOS. The BSD UNIX developers do that. And it has always been that way. BSD just writes a c compiler for each processor architecture. Apple doesn't do anything but hype their made-in-China devices.
The only way Apple survives is the ancient maxim: "There are obvious limits to human intellect, but none whasoever on stupidity." It's lile a ram defragmenter listed on Sourceforge under "religious/faith-based." In other words, the speedup in your machine after running the program is purely faith-based!
That's Apple!
And I meant everything in the nicest possible way.. if you want 'real'' flexibility and power, use Linux. Debian bullseye has 58,000 packages for installation, whichever the user chooses.
And if you're talking about benchmarks, they are not valid across archtectures! You have to use the same OS and architecture, like AMD and Intel on Windows. MacOS is open-source software, developed at UC Berkeley, called BSD UNIX.
APPLE just writes a few proprietary tools for installation, adds some window dressing and dessert topping, but it doesn't write the MacOS. The BSD UNIX developers do that. And it has always been that way. BSD just writes a c compiler for each processor architecture. Apple doesn't do anything but hype their made-in-China devices.
The only way Apple survives is the ancient maxim: "There are obvious limits to human intellect, but none whasoever on stupidity." It's lile a ram defragmenter listed on Sourceforge under "religious/faith-based." In other words, the speedup in your machine after running the program is purely faith-based!
That's Apple!
And I meant everything in the nicest possible way.. if you want 'real'' flexibility and power, use Linux. Debian bullseye has 58,000 packages for installation, whichever the user chooses.
I use my Apple computers at home to surf the internet, write a document once in awhile. I'm retired, don't need to use any PC's and yes, don't/won't buy anything with Intel inside because they laid me off back in the early 1990s. That will policy will remian until the day I die. I don't write software, don't use CAD/CAM software anymore. Forget Intel. Don't want it, don't need it.
The way Apple survives is because the machine works every time without fail. Every time. Without fail. Since I bought my first Apple computer in 2008 and while I write this.
I had a PC from 1988 until 2008. Upgraded hardware and software too many times to remember. Don't have to do that anymore.
You stick with your Lenovo/Intel/Windoze if you want to tweak your made in Asia over-hyped devices.
The way Apple survives is because the machine works every time without fail. Every time. Without fail. Since I bought my first Apple computer in 2008 and while I write this.
I had a PC from 1988 until 2008. Upgraded hardware and software too many times to remember. Don't have to do that anymore.
You stick with your Lenovo/Intel/Windoze if you want to tweak your made in Asia over-hyped devices.
Those proprietary add-ons likely comprise over 95% of the code. Sitting on top on FreeBSD Code With a XNU kernel.
macOS is a long way from BSD.
You sur ehave a hate on for Apple, and clearly you have no understanding of the whole point of the Mx architecture.
A lot of us love Apple and you’ll just have to live with that. More for the software than the hardware (some at times has been a PITA), but the new Mx is spot on for the task at hand. And a lot of that is science and engineering.
dave
Agree and feel free to put your dollars wherever you choose!
I lean towards the Linux side because I have no dollars, have time to help and develop, have desire for freedom 🙂
I lean towards the Linux side because I have no dollars, have time to help and develop, have desire for freedom 🙂
I had the exact opposite experience with a brand new Lenovo 2016ish and brand new MacBook Pro 2015.
MacBook Pro 2015 is still running strong while Lenovo is not.
Read XNU literally stands for "Xnu Not Unix". Also that the Apple OSs all derive from Job's NEXT computer OS, which introduced a pioneering programming concept known as OOP, or Object Oriented Programming. Becoming popuar at banks and government agencies due to that specific programming model. Plus of course cutting edge GUI designs for the time.
Seems pretty down to the core heritage to me, versus "window dressing and dessert topping" slapped over BSD.
Some people will say anything in support of their position, or feeling about something. And I'm all PC, simply because I cant afford to drive a Cadillac. (The best, if the implication is misunderstood...)