Yup. (I’m getting old)
And they’ve done similar ever since.
I had a problem with a windows laptop and got passed from pillar to post. ”contact the software company/it’s the graphics card/would you like to upgrade instead……”
And they’ve done similar ever since.
I had a problem with a windows laptop and got passed from pillar to post. ”contact the software company/it’s the graphics card/would you like to upgrade instead……”
No they haven’t. A friend is Apple tech and the company is great with hard- and software but also in evading warranty issues. I learned this when I had 2 new Macs with both the same issue. Only with his help I succeeded.
Mac user with pleasure but criticismless adoring of brands won’t make matters better. The right to repair is not in Apples book either. Consumers should be sharp to such large brands to keep quality and service of a high level. We pay enough for the devices and such prices are only justified when things are all truely OK and not just the perception.
Mac user with pleasure but criticismless adoring of brands won’t make matters better. The right to repair is not in Apples book either. Consumers should be sharp to such large brands to keep quality and service of a high level. We pay enough for the devices and such prices are only justified when things are all truely OK and not just the perception.
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It is not personal, it is the whole picture. For instance Apple tried to keep to 1 year warranty while EU rules say a 2 year warranty is normal.
Good and bad experiences here. I once got a new iphone when I went to a genius bar or whatever they are called. A guy with blue hair thought the few years old defective phone could explode and arranged a new iphone which was very cool!
BTW issues with pc’s are no counterweight to Apple issues. Got a Intel I7 HP Pavilion all in one device for free that is still being supported by HP although it is quite some years old. Runs flawlessly too.
Good and bad experiences here. I once got a new iphone when I went to a genius bar or whatever they are called. A guy with blue hair thought the few years old defective phone could explode and arranged a new iphone which was very cool!
BTW issues with pc’s are no counterweight to Apple issues. Got a Intel I7 HP Pavilion all in one device for free that is still being supported by HP although it is quite some years old. Runs flawlessly too.
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Apparently you can still get replacement batteries for those: https://www.ifixit.com/products/macbook-replacement-battery
All you need to do to swap the battery is to turn the lock with a coin.
I've swapped the battery in my 2010 MacBook Pro twice now. That requires a screwdriver. 🙂
Tom
All you need to do to swap the battery is to turn the lock with a coin.
I've swapped the battery in my 2010 MacBook Pro twice now. That requires a screwdriver. 🙂
Tom
Not worth the cost of the battery.
But they also have iPod batteries, i am looking for one of those for my iPod 160. Thanx.
dave
But they also have iPod batteries, i am looking for one of those for my iPod 160. Thanx.
dave
No worries. They have the various pry tools needed to get the iPod open as well.
I cracked open my Video iPod after it died hoping that I could swap out the spinning hard drive (yep, really!) with an SD card. Sadly it was something else that had died. Oh, well. I got 13 years out of it. Anyway. My point is that it isn't too difficult to pry it open, especially if you're not too concerned about scratches.
Tom
I cracked open my Video iPod after it died hoping that I could swap out the spinning hard drive (yep, really!) with an SD card. Sadly it was something else that had died. Oh, well. I got 13 years out of it. Anyway. My point is that it isn't too difficult to pry it open, especially if you're not too concerned about scratches.
Tom
Is this stupid mac vs windows or intel vs ... still going on?
Apple it's core is BSD, and the updates still come from the BSD team. The rest is Apple, Linux in essense is the same but more customised often (depending on the distro). Windows not (is in essence dos, that they manage themselves). All should run smooth when used right and have the right hardware and drivers for it (and that last is often the problem). Where i don't like apple is that they close of a lot of options of the core to make it more stable (what is what many love). Linux does reverse and windows stays in the middle. I work in IT and work with all and have to support all.
Engineers mostly like windows machines with higher range Intel processors, because it does what they want. And most programmers do the same, but often run linux in place of windows on intel processors, almost never mac on their programming machines (even when programming for mac) in my experience. I worked for many engineering and software dev companies as system engineer or support engineer and everywhere i see the same. And in our stats, mac computers break down way faster than top level windows (Lenove Thinkpad, higher series HP and Dell) machines while being more expensive to buy and repair, that is just a statistic fact, generally known in the IT world. Just like Iphones are reverse to all Android phones, they run more stable and last way longer (but are more expensive)...
And all the rest is preference.
Apple it's core is BSD, and the updates still come from the BSD team. The rest is Apple, Linux in essense is the same but more customised often (depending on the distro). Windows not (is in essence dos, that they manage themselves). All should run smooth when used right and have the right hardware and drivers for it (and that last is often the problem). Where i don't like apple is that they close of a lot of options of the core to make it more stable (what is what many love). Linux does reverse and windows stays in the middle. I work in IT and work with all and have to support all.
Engineers mostly like windows machines with higher range Intel processors, because it does what they want. And most programmers do the same, but often run linux in place of windows on intel processors, almost never mac on their programming machines (even when programming for mac) in my experience. I worked for many engineering and software dev companies as system engineer or support engineer and everywhere i see the same. And in our stats, mac computers break down way faster than top level windows (Lenove Thinkpad, higher series HP and Dell) machines while being more expensive to buy and repair, that is just a statistic fact, generally known in the IT world. Just like Iphones are reverse to all Android phones, they run more stable and last way longer (but are more expensive)...
And all the rest is preference.
Do you have a link to these data? I have yet to break a computer so I'm curious what types of failures people experience for the different brands.
Tom
To my knowledge, there is no public data available but I've come to the same conclusions from my experience. Many recent Apple laptops have weak spots mostly related to design over function choices. A few of them have been class action matherial and are well known: the keyboard, the flat cable that connects the screen to the mainboard, and a few more. Don't get me wrong, they still are nicely built laptops, as the price suggest, but on my opinion they are less sturdy than top of the line x86-based laptops. Macbooks last a long time also because people threat them with care, while a cheap-looking plastic encased laptop does have thougher life.
On my experience, I've seen more water damaged Macbooks than Dells or Lenovos. The Macbook motherboard lacks conformal coating and some critical power supply traces are right next to vent holes on the bottom or rear. On several models, high voltage supply traces for the screen backlight runs a fraction of millimeter next to CPU signals at logic levels. The smallest droplet of water is enough to send 50V to the CPU core and kill the motherboard. It is not a Apple specific issue, but to my knowledge this placement of PCB traces is less common on other brands. On the contrary, I still have to see a shorted MLCC capacitor fault on a Macbook. This is a fairly common issue on low-cost x86 laptops that lacks a stiff chassis. I've read that this fault may be triggered by flexing the PCB if the capacitor has not been mounted with special soldering precautions. But I also see this fault on PCBs inside monitors so it may just be a parts quality issue.
On my experience, I've seen more water damaged Macbooks than Dells or Lenovos. The Macbook motherboard lacks conformal coating and some critical power supply traces are right next to vent holes on the bottom or rear. On several models, high voltage supply traces for the screen backlight runs a fraction of millimeter next to CPU signals at logic levels. The smallest droplet of water is enough to send 50V to the CPU core and kill the motherboard. It is not a Apple specific issue, but to my knowledge this placement of PCB traces is less common on other brands. On the contrary, I still have to see a shorted MLCC capacitor fault on a Macbook. This is a fairly common issue on low-cost x86 laptops that lacks a stiff chassis. I've read that this fault may be triggered by flexing the PCB if the capacitor has not been mounted with special soldering precautions. But I also see this fault on PCBs inside monitors so it may just be a parts quality issue.
The 2016-2019(?) MacBooks with the butterfly keyboard was one of the poorer designs. In 2017 i purposely bought a brandnew 2015 to avoid those.
dave
Yep. I kept my 2015 MBP going until 2020 to avoid the butterfly design. The newer models all use scissor switches.
Tom
Tom
A wise choice indeed. The 2016 model had the flex cable issue. I haven't opened up this year model yet but it seems to be built better according to the available teardowns. The fans are a bit too conservative and let the CPU run at unusually high temperatures, but few people are running intensive workloads for long time on a laptop.
What really pisses me off about Apple is how they copy names.
IOS: The original Cisco Internet Operating System... dating back to the 90s.
M1, M2: ARM cores, the ones without an MMU.
I really wish Apple would stop with this.
"Apple silicon is a series of system on a chip (SoC) and system in a package (SiP) processors designed by Apple Inc.,
mainly using the ARM architecture. "
"The Apple A16 Bionic is a 64-bit ARM-based SoC that first appeared in the iPhone 14 Pro, unveiled on September 7, 2022. "
"The first Apple products with an ARM system on a chip were the 1993 Newton personal digital assistant, the 2001 iPod, and the 2007 iPhone. Apple has designed its own custom ARM chips since 2009, which it has since used in its iPhone, iPad, iPod, Apple TV, Apple Watch, AirPods, Beats and HomePod products."
" Apple designs its own CPUs and CPU cores that implement ARM instruction sets. The company's work is completely custom, rather than a repackage of ARM processors."
"This means that companies buy a license that allows them to build custom processor cores that implement an ARM instruction set, rather than purchasing or modifying ARM processors themselves."
" IOS is a trademark or registered trademark of Cisco in the U.S. and other countries and is used under license. "
This statement is right on Apple's web site, as it must be since IOS is licensed.
So unless you call licensing"copying" they don't copy.
Microsoft does copy, and has since the beginning of personal computing.
Microsoft even copied the "X" in Apple's OSX. Remember Windows XP?
mainly using the ARM architecture. "
"The Apple A16 Bionic is a 64-bit ARM-based SoC that first appeared in the iPhone 14 Pro, unveiled on September 7, 2022. "
"The first Apple products with an ARM system on a chip were the 1993 Newton personal digital assistant, the 2001 iPod, and the 2007 iPhone. Apple has designed its own custom ARM chips since 2009, which it has since used in its iPhone, iPad, iPod, Apple TV, Apple Watch, AirPods, Beats and HomePod products."
" Apple designs its own CPUs and CPU cores that implement ARM instruction sets. The company's work is completely custom, rather than a repackage of ARM processors."
"This means that companies buy a license that allows them to build custom processor cores that implement an ARM instruction set, rather than purchasing or modifying ARM processors themselves."
" IOS is a trademark or registered trademark of Cisco in the U.S. and other countries and is used under license. "
This statement is right on Apple's web site, as it must be since IOS is licensed.
So unless you call licensing"copying" they don't copy.
Microsoft does copy, and has since the beginning of personal computing.
Microsoft even copied the "X" in Apple's OSX. Remember Windows XP?
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"Apple changed its naming policy with the launch of Mac OS X, known colloquially as OS X, in March 2001."
"Windows XP is a major release of Microsoft's Windows NT operating system.
It was released to manufacturing on August 24, 2001."
You decide.
Yes, Microsoft was (and is) THAT devoid of original ideas.
"Windows XP is a major release of Microsoft's Windows NT operating system.
It was released to manufacturing on August 24, 2001."
You decide.
Yes, Microsoft was (and is) THAT devoid of original ideas.
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Isn't/wasn't it technically iOS? With a lower case i.
Naming and trademarks get murky. A few members here have run into trouble with that. I recall Tubelab having to rename products because a company called Simplese claimed his Simple SE was too close. Similar with the BOSC Class D amp vs BOSCH the tool maker. Or Tesla and the Model 3 because Model E was too close to Model T for Ford to accept. Only the lawyers win.
Tom
Naming and trademarks get murky. A few members here have run into trouble with that. I recall Tubelab having to rename products because a company called Simplese claimed his Simple SE was too close. Similar with the BOSC Class D amp vs BOSCH the tool maker. Or Tesla and the Model 3 because Model E was too close to Model T for Ford to accept. Only the lawyers win.
Tom