Over and over I'll notice that this forum is the only forum in the world with this kind of problems. A very few members make the life miserable for the big mass. Banning those individuals makes this place peaceful half a year of even a year.
This time the moderators made a good decision, it could also have been a long sinbin stay. I believe that most people can improve.
My personal view is _why_ is it so important to cry out how bad the moderators are when you know you have acted wrong?
This time the moderators made a good decision, it could also have been a long sinbin stay. I believe that most people can improve.
My personal view is _why_ is it so important to cry out how bad the moderators are when you know you have acted wrong?
Because some people can't admitt to their mistakes (for any number of reasons), and it is always easier to point the finger elsewhere. Pretty simple eh? Oh! ... and maybe sometimes there's the alterior motive of drumming up more traffic towards some other site... maybe.
peranders said:
Usenet: rec.audio.tubes. Or .tech, or .anything in the audio forums. You haven't seen problems if you haven't spent time there. Audiophiles can be an unpleasant bunch. The debates in alt.atheism are more cordial and respectful. The moderation here is very good but there's always room for improvement. A less tolerant approach to invictive regardless of viewpoint for example.
FWIW I honestly didn't know some members were banned. Hearing of it I looked at the account status of the most likely candidates which came to mind and guessed right. Can't say I disagree, to me some read more interested in developing personality cults than talking audio.
I was away from the forum for a while. You mean jocko's (and a few others) been banned? Painful as he was at times, he amused the hell out of me.
I had a huge chance to develop a cult of personality at the AVSforum, but such a way of living and thinking is so alien and it also gives me the willies. The whole concept makes my head reel, and I feel like I'm gonna be ill. Ug. People (every now and then) even started to try and build a boat around me..and then carry it on their shoulders. Very weird. There's a guy in the DIY section, called "MississippiMan", whom has fallen into the trap wholehartedly. In another life, he could have been an evangelist. There is one thread, about 20 or so posts back (via my post count), in my AVS postings, where I tore him a new one like nothing on this planet. It's an amusing read and a simple statement on his obvious issues. I was, of course, ignored and slammed. I did though, hit him hard enough in the place he lives, to keep him down for nearly a month. But as we know, like a weed, the ego grows back. Keep trimming it.
As a friend of mine said to me: "My Ego? I dumped that useless appendage, long ago. My monkey works, buddy. It ain't broken. It don't need no peanuts."
I had a huge chance to develop a cult of personality at the AVSforum, but such a way of living and thinking is so alien and it also gives me the willies. The whole concept makes my head reel, and I feel like I'm gonna be ill. Ug. People (every now and then) even started to try and build a boat around me..and then carry it on their shoulders. Very weird. There's a guy in the DIY section, called "MississippiMan", whom has fallen into the trap wholehartedly. In another life, he could have been an evangelist. There is one thread, about 20 or so posts back (via my post count), in my AVS postings, where I tore him a new one like nothing on this planet. It's an amusing read and a simple statement on his obvious issues. I was, of course, ignored and slammed. I did though, hit him hard enough in the place he lives, to keep him down for nearly a month. But as we know, like a weed, the ego grows back. Keep trimming it.
As a friend of mine said to me: "My Ego? I dumped that useless appendage, long ago. My monkey works, buddy. It ain't broken. It don't need no peanuts."
Isn't it funny everyone seems to "have an idea" who is the subject of concern yet no names have been mentioned until now?
Tragically Hip said it best, "long time coming, well worth the wait"
Tragically Hip said it best, "long time coming, well worth the wait"
classd4sure said:
I don't think there is much point inte talking officially about who these peope were, that might be perceived as bad manners from our side. Anyone having a guess can easily check those peoples member status. I did get the list of people banned in the house-cleaning and I hope the mods will not get mad at me for telling that they were after all only five in total. Some of the names surprised me, but given the extra info kindly provided to me by the mods I do see why it happened, although opinions might differ whether banning was the best way to deal with it. I think I can at least say as much as that it is not immediately obvious from reading these peoples postings on this forum to realize why it happened. There is more to it than that, and the mods did provide me with proof so I am not just relying on taking their word for it. I also now realize there are good reasons why the mods do not disclose all details publicly. So, does this change anything? Before you had to decide whether to trust the mods on this. Now you have to decide whether to trust me on this, but there is the slight difference that I am not a mod and doesn't have to stick to their version for loyalty reasons, so hopefully you will trust me to be at least somewhat more objective. Actually, nothing of what happened is really much of a secret. It is there for everybody to find out if you just know where to look. I should however add that I am still not so sure that these people do realize themselves why they were banned, but that is then their problem. I am also not saying I support the banning of them, I try to be very tolerant, but I do see the mods point of view and respect it.
Unfortunately it seems a few other people have left us by their own decision, but contrary to what I thought, it is no longer obvious that had anything to do with the housecleaning.
I think jocko had a VERY dry sense of humour, which just goes over the top of a lot of peoples heads, and they interpret it as an insult rather than the humour that is intended... at least some of the time anyway 🙂
Can't say I have read lots of his posts, but I have definitely seen occasions where I thought people had missed his humour, and got upset......
I've known people like that in the past, and most people just don't get it, I'd be chuckling and the person would be winking at me because I got the joke, but everyone else would be looking horrified.... ah well such is life 🙂
Tony.
Can't say I have read lots of his posts, but I have definitely seen occasions where I thought people had missed his humour, and got upset......
I've known people like that in the past, and most people just don't get it, I'd be chuckling and the person would be winking at me because I got the joke, but everyone else would be looking horrified.... ah well such is life 🙂
Tony.
I'm not sure what prompted the moderators here to not make it perfectly clear what got these people banned. Much like Texas is there to provide an example of what's not acceptable this too should have been made clear to at least avoid all the questions and concern for them.
What I saw that brought it on was that they went and started their own forum after having realized this forum didn't revolve around them, so they went to play god elsewhere. For over a year after that their posts held alot of nothing but trouble and the arguments that followed often ended with "this place sucks come to our forum and here is the link".
They'd also go so far as to repost the link once it got deleted. From what I saw they begged for this to happen and they finally got it, so everyone ought to be happy. Their own forum is also filled with comments about their hate for this one.
I don't mind posting this because it's based on my own observations and I have not received any "insider information" of any type. That is what I think was the last straw though, so people shouldn't think you can't have humor here or anything like that, I really have never found the moderators here to be so unreasonable, far from it.
Hopefully this topic can die now.
What I saw that brought it on was that they went and started their own forum after having realized this forum didn't revolve around them, so they went to play god elsewhere. For over a year after that their posts held alot of nothing but trouble and the arguments that followed often ended with "this place sucks come to our forum and here is the link".
They'd also go so far as to repost the link once it got deleted. From what I saw they begged for this to happen and they finally got it, so everyone ought to be happy. Their own forum is also filled with comments about their hate for this one.
I don't mind posting this because it's based on my own observations and I have not received any "insider information" of any type. That is what I think was the last straw though, so people shouldn't think you can't have humor here or anything like that, I really have never found the moderators here to be so unreasonable, far from it.
Hopefully this topic can die now.
classd4sure said:
Hope that my post about Jocko wasn't misinterpreted, if someone persistantly upsets people because their humour isn't understood then they should stop doing it, it wasn't a defence 😉 and I certainly wasn't implying that humour is not possible here or that the mods are humourless...... I don't think I ever saw him (Jocko) say "hey you misinterpreted what I said" I think he figured if they didn't get it that was their problem... Just an observation of how something not intended as malicious can come across as being so. If the original intent is not explained then it might as well have been intended to be malicious in the first place....
on a separate topic I certainly saw one of the other banned members repeatedly "arc up" over things that I thought were completely innocent, which he considered as personal attacks, and then retaliated in often virtriolic ways.
Anyway I have no probs with the mods, just participating in a discussion 🙂
Tony.
Hey, it's all good, I'm just doing the same, no worries here 🙂
I can also agree with that! I think it was also too often the case that the original intent was never meant to be understood and hence malicious.
Some may also think they truly don't know why the ban was placed, the old Bart Simpson defence "I didn't do it".
You really only need to read this thread alone for a good example of why they're gone.
Anyway, we should really get back to complaining about the mods now 😀
Speaking of Texas, there seems also to be a new and tougher policy for when posts are sent there or just plain deleted. I won't take issue with that. However, could you please have as a policy to always post a note when you delete something or move it to Texas? It can sometimes be very confusing to read a thread where posts are missing and one doesn't know about it. I am not asking that you justify why you do it, only that you make a note in the thread that something has been deleted or moved.
Bas Horneman said:
So one has to call a spade a manually enabled earth moving device, but why ?
An example from another place.
A debate arose as to the better amplifier. During this debate it was pointed out that using the same valves topology A had a lower Zout than topology B. At this point, some eejit interjected with the usual wishy washy nonsense about being nice to each other and that after all it was only an opinion that topology A had lower Zout than topology B.
So what is the mod-approved method of responding to such stupidity?
An idea can be called stupid, a person not. Basic culture.
Let me add:
Because an idea is created by a person, one has to be tactful when criticizing it.
/Hugo
Let me add:
Because an idea is created by a person, one has to be tactful when criticizing it.
/Hugo
Netlist said:
Is that a rule of the forum or your own philosophy?
One of the definitions of stupid as applied to people is 'wanting in understanding'. Basic english.
It is his own philosophy that complies with the rules of the forum, have ya read 'em?
I think it's far more tactful to tell someone they simply lack understanding (and maybe even graciously explain why) rather than calling them stupid.
Constructive criticism..
I think it's far more tactful to tell someone they simply lack understanding (and maybe even graciously explain why) rather than calling them stupid.
Constructive criticism..
Netlist said:
If you don't the brains of a goldfish or a clue about what you are pontificating on, you have no business coming up with ideas. If you do, not having bothered to understand the subject at hand, you should not be too surprised to find yourself pilloried by those who do understand the subject.
Good suggestion Christer. The main reason we don't often do that is that we are pressed for time.
Why get worked up about someone like that. Just ignore him or if it is provable then prove him wrong. Telling people they are moron's because the don't agree or haven't got a clue... just doesn't make for a better forum in my opinion. Some of the brightest forum members think other bright forum members are idiots...should we let them get into a name calling match?
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