Moderating

[jh6you]

. . . why don't you set up a forum of your own to do it?

Hmm . . . sorry, but why this kinda comment . . . ?
Sounds like another provacation . . .

 

[pinkmouse]

Not meant as provocation at all.

 

[kingdaddy]

Interesting how quiet it gets when you pose a legitimate question to the moderators about their activity, you either get an off-topic answer or none at all.

 

[AudioFreak]

Then why have off-topic, and why do you get to decide what’s a good discussion? Also consider that this is a community and people get to know one another here, our first passion is Audio but at times we like to blow off steam and discuss other things. These Political discussions were going on long before you became moderator and there was very little problems relatively speaking, especially considering the bickering that goes on at the amp forums. Forgetting what side your breads buttered on is what makes forums and businesses die, consider that it’s the members that make this place possible, the advertisers wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for the traffic and posting of the members. But by all means keep treating the regulars here like they are children and see what becomes of this place, either extreme will make a forum a lousy place to visit, too much moderation or not enough, just check out the Audio Asylum for a good example of the latter extreme, it’s a den of jackals.

Discussing Politics with people of your own interest gives us some common ground that sometimes helps us share our POV better, removing it completely because you don’t have the time to interject and ban at will is a poor excuse and is in fact lazy, were adults, let us handle our own problems, if you did it would self moderate all but the most extreme cases like it always had. But if you just have to control everything and be king, then so be it, I’m sure my little opinion will never change anything anyway, I’m just one forum member who matters not.

If you want to be democratic, why don’t you take a vote from the members and ask if they want to discuss Politics and Religion, and then ask for moderators to volunteer for Off-Topic only? Or would that be catering too much to the member’s desires?

kingdaddy,

I'm not about to get involved in a long winded debate about this but I will say this much and then let it be. For many years we let things be. For the first 2 years or so we existed, we had more or less no moderation in any area of the site. But there came a time when actions by certain members required that we have an administrative moderation process to keep a very few members from spoiling the whole and of course to also do general janitorial work around the site. Even long after that, we let almost all discussions take place and everyone was happy. Until one day a small group of members decided to start a couple of threads that were not appropriate for the general areas of the site and so was born the off topic area. That is also the reason for the off topic area threads not appearing on the main page. See we didn't want to stop those discussions so we made an area where interested individuals could continue such discussions *within the governing rules of this site*. But then certain members couldn't keep these discussions confined to the designated areas and started using provocative signatures linking to off topic threads and yet other members could not discuss these topics without attacking other members (a violation of our rules regardless of which forum it appears in) instead of the topic and this also boiled over into other areas of the site on more than one occassion. Simply put, we've done everything we could to allow diversity of topics to continue with minimal ground rules but unfortunately it has been members time and time again that have shown an inability to adhere to ground rules when discussing such topics that effectively forced our hand and we, as responsible caretakers, therefore had little choice but to ban certain topics.

 

[Calimero]

If we don't call things by the name, ...

What are you referring/talking about:

Until one day a small group of members decided to start a couple of threads that were not appropriate for the general areas of the site and so was born the off topic area.

But then certain members couldn't keep these discussions confined to the designated areas and started using provocative signatures linking to off topic threads and yet other members could not discuss these topics without attacking other members

Are these facts and where are they based on. I can't agree nor disagree on the info supplied, so it is non-information to me. You can talk the hind legs off a donkey (and are actually doing so) , but it doesn't backup you decision to moderate this site as you are currently doing. It is al b....s....

Henk

 

[anatech]

Hi Calimero,
Since your quotes come from our Web Master, you can take them as fact. I am not inclined to believe there is anything but truth there.

From my brief experience as a mod I can tell you we would rather keep hands off and let the members solve issues themselves. I can tell you that there are some members who do not follow the very basic rules and actually harass other members. Moderation needs to occur to keep this place from turning into a free for all.

There are those who do not agree with all our actions, and that is to be expected. Rest assured that many times the individual mods do not agree with some members, but do not take action. Goes both ways.

The known troublemakers are watched more closely, and are on a shorter leash. They have been warned. That's the same thing as avoiding the guy that always gives you a punch. You know it's likely to happen, so you take action.

-Chris

 

[BC]

Moderators

I just found out a member is leaving the forum. I had made a fatal mistake a little while back with this fellow when I mentioned that his circuit did not work properly because..... it did not work properly! He was a well established guru with others. From that point on, I could not suggest anything because I was shot down or ignored. His most recent post was an irate one, condemning moderators and " Texas". That got me searching and locating a "Texas" thread and this one. WOW! Now that my naivete about this forum is somewhat reduced, all I can say is THANK YOU MODERATORS.

BC

P.S. Almost forgot. Thanks AudioFreak for this forum.

 

[Cal Weldon]

Thanks BC,

and we musn't forget Jason, our trustee,

and the members.

 

[BC]

Thanks BC,

and we musn't forget Jason, our trustee,

and the members.

Thanks Cal,
Duly noted.
🙂

BC

 

[peranders]

Re: Moderators

I just found out a member is leaving the forum. I had made a fatal mistake a little while back with this fellow when I mentioned that his circuit did not work properly because..... it did not work properly! He was a well established guru with others. From that point on, I could not suggest anything because I was shot down or ignored. His most recent post was an irate one, condemning moderators and " Texas". That got me searching and locating a "Texas" thread and this one. WOW! Now that my naivete about this forum is somewhat reduced, all I can say is THANK YOU MODERATORS.

BC

P.S. Almost forgot. Thanks AudioFreak for this forum.

Selfappointed (or not) gurus must be able to handle opinions, objections and in the same time being polite. No need to get rude or angry. A humble attitude is good to have and if you are having trouble with that, just don't say anything.

You must also always use your own judgement and don't believe everything you hear or read. In this particular case we have a unbelievable solution which noone else agrees on, neither in simulations or real life measurements. (See my sig below).

The moderation team does a good job in keeping certain individuals in short leaches. The forum is owned by Jason and he sets the rules together with his staff. It's not everyone's right to behave as they pleases. Some individuals has a hobby of annyoing the moderators. Why? Testing limits?

The moderation team does a good job so keep on with that.

 

[jh6you]

Re: Re: Moderators

The moderation team does a good job so keep on with that.

???
I don't know . . .

Problem seems to be that I hardly see clear and fair rules and interpretations here in diyAudio. The interpretations are too flexible . . . depending on too much personalities of moderators . . . to respect them.

This is not to argue . . . just a feeling . . .

Regards

 

[wintermute]

Admittedly I haven't been around lately, but I've always thought the mods do a good job. The guidelines of the forum are very clear, and if people step over the mark they shouldn't be surprised at the consequences! One of the things I've always thought about DIYaudio was that it has a great comunity, I suspect that without the efforts of the moderators, I wouldn't be able to say that.

just my

Tony.

 

[Jocko Homo]

Mark your calendars.........

I actually agree with the Mod Squad. Getting rid of political posts was long overdue. If you guys can't come up with enough stuff to goad each other and make the mods pull out their hair without having to resort to politics..............well, you need to give it a rest.

Or e-mail me for suggestions. [joke]

On second thought.........don't. I am tired of my inbox filled with what is perceived to be wrong with this place.

Guess what.........I can't do anytihing about it! So stop telling me.

I'm going back to my cave now.................

Jocko

 

[jh6you]

Re: Mark your calendars.........

my cave now.................

Your cave . . . ?
Ahh, . . . where full of batmen . . .

 

[jeff mai]

Please explain why these very recent (and very similar) complaints about copying intellectual property were handled so differently:

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=78483

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=78288

In the first case, the complaintant was sent to Texas for his efforts. In the second, the complaintant succeeded in having the thread closed and a second thread removed. I've got nothing against either complaintant, but the moderating seems arbitrary and unfair. A cynical person might believe that the second complaintant was treated differently because he is a paying advertiser on this site.

 

[planet10]

Please explain why these very recent (and very similar) complaints about copying intellectual property were handled so differently:

In one case, one has progressed further, and the other is in progress (back room discussions on going as we speak)

dave.

 

[jeff mai]

In one case, one has progressed further, and the other is in progress (back room discussions on going as we speak)

The actions taken thus far indicate that the cases must be seen by the moderators as somehow different from each other. I don't wish to know the outcome of the backroom discussions - the moderators who have taken action should be able to describe why the two cases are different right now. If they cannot be differentiated right now, why not take the same preliminary action for both cases?

 

[anatech]

Hi Jeff,
It depends upon which moderator takes action, and what the public mood is at the time.

Very negative posts will be acted upon more swiftly. A lack of respect for another member will generally have the post or series of posts removed. This is very true in the case of a member who may have a history of this.

Unlike the "Borg" in Star Trek (yeah, I've watched a couple), we do have individual thoughts and personalities. Just as you do.

As Dave indicated:

back room discussions on going as we speak

We now have to figure out how to determine where these fall. Each situation is a little different.

-Chris

 

[jeff mai]

Each situation is a little different.

It was already clear that moderators felt they were different from the different actions taken. So I repeat: how are the two cases different?

 

[anatech]

Hi Jeff,
That's one thing we are discussing. Besides, if you oversimplify then everything pretty much looks the same. 😉

-Chris