DrG said:
If you are talking about two of millwood's posts I deleted from PC thread, it was because at that time millwood was under moderation, and all his posts were had to be accepted by a moderator before posting them on a forum. In those two instances I felt like they were unneccesary (and I clearly stated that I had deleated them). On the same day I made suggestion to other moderators that maybe it's time millwood would be taken off the moderation and this is what happened. He can posts freely now and none of his posts can (or should) be deleted. And this is how it should be.
To answer your second question, who moderates moderators, it's the members who do that. If there is enough complains in a moderating thread about certain moderator's actions, sooner or later something will be done about it.
It is one of the current, unwritten forum rules, that none of the posts (unless the member is under moderation) should be deleted, or technically disappear, because they can still end up in Texas or otherwise obstructed from public view (if they are not appropriate to be seen by other members). And I believe this is what happened in your case DrG, although I was not responsible for that.
It's the "otherwise obstructed from public view" bit that gets grey here, Peter. Very grey. Because it amounts to deletion, de facto.
I repeat, modify away wherever you find language so colorful that it may impinge upon delicate sensibilities. But I question your right to delete or "otherwise obstruct(ed) from public view" anyone's posts. Including those members like millwood whom you mention, under the Damocles sword of "moderation".
I had a personal, unpleasant altercation recently which was prompted by a public indictment by the other party concerned and which I took up privately, by e-mail. I would not relent and was promptly "reported" on the strength of the (creatively censored, I think) contents of said private mails, finding myself abruptly unable to post anymore, as punishment I imagine. And this is the second point I'm making. We have the ability to ignore e-mails from whomever we choose and the freedom to withold an e-mail address. So, what goes on behind the forum scene is neither relevant to the moderators nor within the province of moderation to chastize. Even more so if said member's address is available by means other than diyaudio's member database.
But hey, you can look at this many ways. For myself I think some moderators are just small people enjoying the fleeting altitude of a tall soapbox and the vacuous corruptibility of cyber authority. And SY, I emphatically EXCLUDE you from this estimation...
A post is also subject to deletion if it is contrary to any of the forum rules, which was the case in a few of the cited instances. We all know what the rules are don't we?DrG said:
What goes on between two members outside of this site is of no consequence on the site. If someone has a complaint about an email received through the sites email system, that a different issue. We will respond depending on the situation, and we hope appropriately.DrG said:
Fortunately for the Moderators, yours is not the only opinion on this forum.DrG said:
DrG said:
I agree with you on your last statement. It was like this at the time, when the moderatorship was formed for this forum, but at present I don't think it's the case anymore. We learned a lot and improved our actions and the members helped us a lot😉
All the current moderators are very moderate in their actions and are very thoughtfull people who were chosen for their ability to clearly distinguish between right and wrong and we can honestly trust their judgement. Those who felt they might not be up to the task, left by their own decision long time ago.😉
Hi,
If a moderator decides to hide a post from public view they do that for a reason.
It may be a matter of personal opinion but given the choice it's much easier for a moderator to put someone in the sinbin.
Believe me there are still alot of members around that have known it to be different.
I for one do not underestimate the beneficial influence of the current moderator team on the forum, neither would I question it's necessity.
Cheers,😉
If a moderator decides to hide a post from public view they do that for a reason.
It may be a matter of personal opinion but given the choice it's much easier for a moderator to put someone in the sinbin.
Believe me there are still alot of members around that have known it to be different.
I for one do not underestimate the beneficial influence of the current moderator team on the forum, neither would I question it's necessity.
Cheers,😉
Oh, so you'd include me in the estimation! 😉
Seriously, and as a general note, the forum is for the members, not for the moderators. Our "job" is to help make the experience as pleasant and useful as possible. Sometimes feelings are inadvertently trampled, but on the whole, I honestly believe that the other moderators are motivated purely by a desire to keep it pleasant and useful. Maybe there are egotists and bullies among the mod crew, but if so, I've been totally unaware of it. I don't know any of these guys personally, but I had discussions, debates, and arguments with all of them before becoming a mod, and never felt that I was being condescended to or treated poorly. On the contrary, I was impressed by their directness, honesty, and sincerity, so when I was asked to volunteer a few hours a week of my time to help out, I was delighted to do so.
When we take action, it's normally after quite a bit of discussion and deliberation- though the action may seem like that of an individual mod, it's generally a consensus opinion, and the mod group is a rather diverse set of individuals with widely varying temperments, philosophies, and styles.
To the extent we succeed, the forum remains a vibrant and interesting community. Which I think it is, with 99.9% of the credit being the members. All we do is a bit of cleaning up every once in a while.
I'm new and spend 99.99% of my time reading and trying to digest data before applying it. But from what I've seen over the last 6 mo. or so, would make me think that sometimes a mod will act in thier interest more so then that of the forum's.
I think it may be a good idea to have some mods not involved in posting so much. A few mods that just moderate the basic rules, not technical content. This way there would not be the bias there seems to be now. Allow them to ask questions and get info in the threads of course, but that would be the extent. A newbie would be perfect.
I also say we change the name of the "Texas" forum to "Canada", or better yet - "France."
I think it may be a good idea to have some mods not involved in posting so much. A few mods that just moderate the basic rules, not technical content. This way there would not be the bias there seems to be now. Allow them to ask questions and get info in the threads of course, but that would be the extent. A newbie would be perfect.
I also say we change the name of the "Texas" forum to "Canada", or better yet - "France."
What are these "mod's interests"?
I'm not aware of any mod moderating on the technical content, except where a safety issue is involved. Of course we all have our opinions, and voice them.
There are 2 kinds of posts made by moderators: those with a
and those without. You can ignore the latter 😉
BTW Being a mod is not a paying job. We're here because we're interested in the forum topics.
I'm not aware of any mod moderating on the technical content, except where a safety issue is involved. Of course we all have our opinions, and voice them.
There are 2 kinds of posts made by moderators: those with a
and those without. You can ignore the latter 😉BTW Being a mod is not a paying job. We're here because we're interested in the forum topics.
dhaen said:What are these "mod's interests"?
I'm not aware of any mod moderating on the technical content, except where a safety issue is involved. Of course we all have our opinions, and voice them.
There are 2 kinds of posts made by moderators: those with a
BTW Being a mod is not a paying job. We're here because we're interested in the forum topics.
Sorry, but I thought the purpose of this thread was to give members an opportunity to voice opinions on the subject. You telling me to ignore mods who act like cops would negate this whole thread, wouldnt it ? And by the way - how would one of those poor fellows being "moderated" go about ignoring one of those
- moderators?Mods that arent heavily involved in the threads wouldnt tend to practice the favoritism that has been exhibited, and exampled in this thread. That was the basis for my suggestion for a mod that was not so involved, but more of a pure-observer.
I didnt say get mods who werent interested. And of course I know you arent getting paid, did I imply this?
This thread asked for opinons - That is what I gave.
Funny, but from a Mod I get - Just ignore Mods who are
instead of - "Although I may not agree with them, I do appreciate you contributing opinons on how to make this forum a better place for us all."
If you dont like opinions - dont ask for them.
dhaen said:those with a
I would think he meant to ignore the (mod) posts without the hat.
In case my post was ambiguous, I meant that normal posts by moderators carry no more weight than any other member, and if you choose to ignore them you can. The exception is when the cop picture is posted. Then he's on moderating business.
Regarding favouritism; it's very difficult to prove fairness. We are judged by the reactions of our fellow members.
It's true that if a mod is heavily involved in a thread, his judgement can become clouded. I can recall a couple of times when a mod has asked one of his peers to act instead of him. This seems the only sensible way.
Regarding favouritism; it's very difficult to prove fairness. We are judged by the reactions of our fellow members.
It's true that if a mod is heavily involved in a thread, his judgement can become clouded. I can recall a couple of times when a mod has asked one of his peers to act instead of him. This seems the only sensible way.
Lusso5 said:
If we did that then there wouldn't be the context their is with "Texas". The context can be found in the Schrodinger's Cat Trilogy by Robert Anton Wilson.
dhaen said:
9 of the top 20 posters (by number of posts) are moderators so you will see a lot of posts by moderators acting as plain jane members.
dave
by planet10
Board Aristocracy?
by Sch3mat1c
But he doesn´t take this because of is own free will. This is the way mods avoid to say "he was banned"
by Elso Kwak
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Board Aristocracy?
by Sch3mat1c
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=280218#post280218
But he doesn´t take this because of is own free will. This is the way mods avoid to say "he was banned"
by Elso Kwak
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till said:
Then Frank would be king 🙂
The actual benevolent dictator actually posts very little having found that the mod team handles things to his liking.
It just turns out that the most dedicated members are a good pool to choose mods out of (there are examples for each mod where they were peace keepers before they ever became mods) -- and because they have proven to be around a lot they can cover a lot of ground (but not all by a long ways) in their normal activity.
You could say that... but Halo we would like back, but not while he exibits the behaviour we see in emails from him (the mods recently reviewed his case).
dave
Hi,
Guess we'll have to kill one to find out if they have blue blood in their veines.
No, I don't think so.
Rather Halo left at his own free will...I even seem to recall at least one post by a moderator asking him to reconsider.
Speechless?
Only in theory....
Ah, the difference between the latter and the former in English.
If only I had a penny for every time I cautiously circumvented the problem when I was in doubt.
Cheers,😉
Guess we'll have to kill one to find out if they have blue blood in their veines.
No, I don't think so.
Rather Halo left at his own free will...I even seem to recall at least one post by a moderator asking him to reconsider.
Speechless?
Only in theory....
Ah, the difference between the latter and the former in English.
If only I had a penny for every time I cautiously circumvented the problem when I was in doubt.
Cheers,😉
Hi,
He also keeps track of whoever visits one of his own websites.
Believe me when I tell you that this fellow is a serious hack, he even managed to break through the Siemens intranet firewalls.
When he doesn't like you he'll send you private e-mails which you best ignore.
Anyway, he could be quite funny too with his psychelic posts.
Cheers,😉
He also keeps track of whoever visits one of his own websites.
Believe me when I tell you that this fellow is a serious hack, he even managed to break through the Siemens intranet firewalls.
When he doesn't like you he'll send you private e-mails which you best ignore.
Anyway, he could be quite funny too with his psychelic posts.
Cheers,😉
the emails he sent me so far were all very polite and serios. No problem.
In case he really hacked the Siemens intranet, this is a very very poor image for Siemens. They should be ashamed. Better they employ some skilled "hackers" .No wonder, all the skilled engineers hang around on diyaudio without a job....
I would be carefull telling storys like that about other peoples, as in case this is not proofen it would be crime to say it.
fdegrove said:
Since when is this a hack? Sounds to me he has access to the logs on the server. (Not like I know anything about servers of course. 🙄 )
Tim
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