can I still integrate?
5 cm/s at 1 kHz is ~ 8 um displacement, looks to me like one of the stacks could be a better fit if only 150 kHz resonance frequency isn't too low
looks like they wrap these with a strain gage bridge too: https://www.thorlabs.com/drawings/2...-5056-0103-7999A0C0C312FFB2/PZS001-Manual.pdf
although now down to 69 kHz resonance - in principle strain gage frequency response is only limited by mechanical strain transfer
there will be spatial averaging of the strain though as the stack axial strain becomes nonuniform approaching resonance
5 cm/s at 1 kHz is ~ 8 um displacement, looks to me like one of the stacks could be a better fit if only 150 kHz resonance frequency isn't too low
looks like they wrap these with a strain gage bridge too: https://www.thorlabs.com/drawings/2...-5056-0103-7999A0C0C312FFB2/PZS001-Manual.pdf
although now down to 69 kHz resonance - in principle strain gage frequency response is only limited by mechanical strain transfer
there will be spatial averaging of the strain though as the stack axial strain becomes nonuniform approaching resonance
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Thanks George I forgot that (even have a copy in my archives), they are a bit expensive for experimenting around with.
Yes, I found the stacks later. At least the self resonance is high enough to at least try it, and since we spent $1000's with them I might be able to get samples though at ~$50 it's not a big investment.
EDIT - Note the B&K accelerometer used in George's link has a 75kHz self resonance.
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Nah, its all for a good cause, and at least for me well worth full price. 🙂
Now if you just sold 50 copies because I mentioned it, then Might want a kick back 😛
Now if you just sold 50 copies because I mentioned it, then Might want a kick back 😛
Hi Scott
I linked again to that B&K article only for reminding how difficult it is to do such a test.
B&K expensive and characterized accelerometer with a 10Vrms excitation achieves a displacement of 0.12nm with a resulting velocity of –76dB rel 5cm/s.
The piezo actuator you’ve linked to, will achieve a displacement of 0.1um with the same excitation but I am afraid it will have some nasty resonance peaks due to shape .
If you vary the loading mass you will add to it, the peaks will probably shift in frequency.
I would suggest a shear wave transducer.
https://www.thorlabs.com/drawings/34d4579c79b37b92-B7C3ECDA-5056-0103-7969A4B2A1DAF2D4/PL5FB-SpecSheet.pdf
With a +/- 25V excitation, the lateral displacement will be approx. +/- 10nm
You are welcome Dennis.
Pile them up 🙂
George
Point well taken but that needs experimental verification I'm not sure the 2 or so grams would make such a difference considering how stiff the ceramic is.
How about stacking a shear and vertical one phased for +-45 degrees? 😀
Urah!
No. I meant some other extra mass added for loading the piezo element.
But it is difficult to place it in such a way it will leave some piezo surface free for the cartridge contact.
😀 😀 😀
George
Hi!
Marcel VdG send me a link which you probably find as interesting:
http://temporalcoherence.nl/cms/images/docs/RIAA1971.pdf
http://temporalcoherence.nl/cms/images/docs/MERK1979.pdf
http://temporalcoherence.nl/cms/images/docs/MERK1980.pdf
is there anybody who will translate in short from Dutch?
The Dutch language is one of the closest in the world to English so it doesn't present much of a problem reading and understanding the articles.
Pawel: At least one of those is the article that is referenced in the LA article that started my down this rabbit hole 🙂
Particularly if you use google translate.. 😛
In truth it's not that close although the Dutch are almost 100% bilingual at minimum and it seems like lately a lot of English is creeping into the language. I can read a little Dutch without the translator, but outside of technical stuff not really. My dad OTOH spoke Dutch almost to the point of fluency a few decades ago, he still has occasion to do so when he needs to deal with his Belgian pension. LOL
Those phonemes are murder.. lol
In truth it's not that close although the Dutch are almost 100% bilingual at minimum and it seems like lately a lot of English is creeping into the language. I can read a little Dutch without the translator, but outside of technical stuff not really. My dad OTOH spoke Dutch almost to the point of fluency a few decades ago, he still has occasion to do so when he needs to deal with his Belgian pension. LOL
Those phonemes are murder.. lol
I always find written dutch looks like English written by someone who has had a few beers because of all the double 'aa' and 'ee'. BUT is totally unpronouncable. It always fascinates me how little time it took for a common root to turn into so many different tongues.
Luckily beer is universal, both in the ordering and consuming 🙂
Luckily beer is universal, both in the ordering and consuming 🙂
Hi George, thanks. I can't explain this: the resonant peak frequency, unless it is compound, is not at the LCR resonant frequency, yet the test with cart in air (essentially mech resonance free) show the same result (implying LCR is all there should be)........
I wonder whether, somehow, your experiment measured the self-resonance of the coil ? ie the coil's own inductance and self-capacitance in isolation ?
LD
Here's a simple spice model for both mechanical and electrical aspects of a MM cartridge that produces readily recognisable results.
Mechanical system is modelled as a transmission line, with a delay appropriate for propagation as transverse wave along a cantilever, terminated by an appropriate mismatch. Electrical LCR system is modelled as just that, and coupled to the mechanical system.
A basic spice schematic is sketched below, marked up with the mechanical/electrical systems. Also attached is the simple f response for that circuit, and also a further developed model that shows MM loading variation working as it should re the overall f response.
The basic model has a lossless TL, whereas in reality there are losses, as there are in the generator. Easy enough to add to the model - try it !
I spent a happy few months a few years back playing about with models for Ortofon and AT carts, but also did a SaS/Shure V15 which I'll try to find. I rapidly became certain this model can mimic reality very well, so much so that it probably is what is really going on IMO.
Interesting?
LD
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