Kooka,
You presented your UCD modules as being modified. As a result one naturally surmises your modifications were made with the intent of getting more of their potential than was offered in stock form. Something closer to their best achievable through common and widely known means.
Unlocking "potential" is exactly what modifying is for. It's something you've attempted because it's so commonly known that's exactly what needs doing to the older UCD modules, as much as is widely known the level of benefit readily achievable via simple means is substantial.
This was the pretense under which you've presented the original comparison by stating they were modified and good sounding, before saying how they were "killed", "murdered", "destroyed", words that consistently and strongly imply some great finality. Essentially you built them up to tear them down. I question such things instantly.
I've pointed out that despite your modifications, there's no such finality as you've failed to even trip over the starting line of your quest. I've further pointed out how easy it would be to fix. Need I offer you my soldering iron as well? I'm completely taken aback by the fact that you failed to even display an ounce of curiousity as a do it yourself hobbyist after finding out there's so much more so easily available right in front of you. This makes me question things far more.
You've spent more time than it would have taken to act on that information reversing your position, implying that doing such a thing would negate the usefulness of your otherwise fair, suddenly unmodified "both stock units", equal footing comparison. Has this become at all comical yet? I think it has.
It seems you appreciate a good analogy as much as I do:
You buy yourself a new LCD based computer monitor on the basis that it was the latest and greatest, best quality display on the market.
You compare it to your older LCD monitor, side by side and in the same light. Despite having previously spent countless hours tweaking the settings of the old unit to unlock it's full potential and gotten it as good as it can reasonably be to your limited experience, all your hard work is instantly put to shame by this new and improved one.
All the while, you have failed to remove the protective plastic coating. Upon that embarrassing discovery, rather than correct the error, you invent reasons why it can never be removed, for instance perhaps doing so would potentially mess up all those tweaked settings, thereby invalidating your otherwise very fair comparison. Had you just peeled off the plastic and seen the light..
You can't now make your comments something other than they were, your amps are modified, not well at all but they are no longer stock, that ship has sailed, left port and gotten lost in the fog of the Bermuda Triangle..evidently with the compass spinning in all directions.
None the less thanks for your efforts.
You presented your UCD modules as being modified. As a result one naturally surmises your modifications were made with the intent of getting more of their potential than was offered in stock form. Something closer to their best achievable through common and widely known means.
Unlocking "potential" is exactly what modifying is for. It's something you've attempted because it's so commonly known that's exactly what needs doing to the older UCD modules, as much as is widely known the level of benefit readily achievable via simple means is substantial.
This was the pretense under which you've presented the original comparison by stating they were modified and good sounding, before saying how they were "killed", "murdered", "destroyed", words that consistently and strongly imply some great finality. Essentially you built them up to tear them down. I question such things instantly.
I've pointed out that despite your modifications, there's no such finality as you've failed to even trip over the starting line of your quest. I've further pointed out how easy it would be to fix. Need I offer you my soldering iron as well? I'm completely taken aback by the fact that you failed to even display an ounce of curiousity as a do it yourself hobbyist after finding out there's so much more so easily available right in front of you. This makes me question things far more.
You've spent more time than it would have taken to act on that information reversing your position, implying that doing such a thing would negate the usefulness of your otherwise fair, suddenly unmodified "both stock units", equal footing comparison. Has this become at all comical yet? I think it has.
It seems you appreciate a good analogy as much as I do:
You buy yourself a new LCD based computer monitor on the basis that it was the latest and greatest, best quality display on the market.
You compare it to your older LCD monitor, side by side and in the same light. Despite having previously spent countless hours tweaking the settings of the old unit to unlock it's full potential and gotten it as good as it can reasonably be to your limited experience, all your hard work is instantly put to shame by this new and improved one.
All the while, you have failed to remove the protective plastic coating. Upon that embarrassing discovery, rather than correct the error, you invent reasons why it can never be removed, for instance perhaps doing so would potentially mess up all those tweaked settings, thereby invalidating your otherwise very fair comparison. Had you just peeled off the plastic and seen the light..
You can't now make your comments something other than they were, your amps are modified, not well at all but they are no longer stock, that ship has sailed, left port and gotten lost in the fog of the Bermuda Triangle..evidently with the compass spinning in all directions.
None the less thanks for your efforts.
classdphile said:
To make a long story short:
I used Ucd's (180 and 400) totally stock and modified. Stock ones and modded ones sounded very close to the same.
None of them is even comparable to MCD.
Other leagues. Other worlds, as I already wrote.
That's it.
If you want to go ahead with this debate, go ahead.
As I already told you this is something not interesting for me: after you will have compared the 2 amps (Ucd and MCD) you will probably have something more interesting to say, I guess.
p.s. what is comical here is someone talking about "potential".
I listened to Ucd's stock, and modded.
MCD (stock) and Ucd (stock) are oin different planets. Period.
Anyone wanting to verify by himself has the chance of doing it. Even you. This could be done before starting saying "you should modify this and that, couple this and that, substitute this, that and that other part, and you will find the potential...".
You understand this is bla bla, right?
soongsc said:
need 42v-0-42vAC and 15~18v-0 AC
gain is 26db
at mother board, there are a preamp there, for balanced input
rg
Hmm, this means one additional tranformer for me for the 15~18v-0 AC.fumac said:
Two 42VAC is different from 42-0-42,
with the rectifier on board, that means I also need a new transformer meaning totally different performance. Thinking...
Does the preamp use +/- supply? Is it direct coupled?
soongsc said:
48-0-48 is same like 2x48v, no diffrent . you can use 2x48v AC at our project
12v-0 is just for the control circle,
is AC coupled, but you can change it to DC coupled, just short the caps
but you need to build a dc protetion yourself.
Does the preamp use +/- supply?
yes, +/-15v inter reg.
rg
fumac
I remember on the MCD225, you can bring in DC directly. Is this the same with the Mhzpower-4?fumac said:
soongsc said:
no, but you can mod it yourself
because the power board is low noise design,
there r input filters and CRC Decoupling,
inside the board , there are 6x6800uf caps.
noise level is 5~10db lower than usual design .
rg
fumac
peterhenk said:
when i get the msg from my bank , i will send the unites 🙂
can you show me the link about George ?
rg
fumac
MCD 255 + lightspeed?
Thank you Soongsc, for posting the link.
Are you interested in building a similar combination?
Cheers
Peter
Thank you Soongsc, for posting the link.
Are you interested in building a similar combination?
Cheers
Peter
Re: MCD 255 + lightspeed?
I have not studied it yet. I would probably test the amp itself if I can find a way to make sure power supply does not let me make a wrong judgement. If it is better than the linear amps and the NCD that I have, then I will try adding other things on.peterhenk said:
many users ask me for how to use standby mod
here is the standby (also including soft On/Off)+ led display.
this is for daul mono design , any body can use it at mono design.
rg
here is the standby (also including soft On/Off)+ led display.
this is for daul mono design , any body can use it at mono design.
rg
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
my personal mono block will be finished
here is a picture of it.
daul mono design, and add a low noise supply board for it,
the supply board is using CRC filter.
here is a picture of it.
daul mono design, and add a low noise supply board for it,
the supply board is using CRC filter.
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
MCD is doing a traval listening test at china
(Beijing, Shanghai, Zhejiang, Nanjing , Wuhan, xian, shenzhen , guangzhou, Dongguan, etc)
also willl be to HK and taipei,(the place is large as euro)
any body can try MCD at their home, using their owm system to comparate.
here is the link, many listenning reports and pictures from the end users.
http://bbs.hifidiy.net/viewthread.php?tid=141146&extra=page=1
because this traval show is going on, many new reports will be post by them
rg
fumac
(Beijing, Shanghai, Zhejiang, Nanjing , Wuhan, xian, shenzhen , guangzhou, Dongguan, etc)
also willl be to HK and taipei,(the place is large as euro)
any body can try MCD at their home, using their owm system to comparate.
here is the link, many listenning reports and pictures from the end users.
http://bbs.hifidiy.net/viewthread.php?tid=141146&extra=page=1
because this traval show is going on, many new reports will be post by them
rg
fumac
Hi Fumac,
In your recent advertisement here, I found your included link to be Chinese to me. I was however able to garner from a quick perusing of it that there seemed to be some repeated theme in comparing it to an IcePower variant. I thought immediately, what a stroke of fortune for you, since at least after having your "clips the peaks of the triangle" pitch thoroughly muddied here, your pitch now consists of phase shift.
It is commonly known and easily seen by looking at the datasheet for the Icepower modules that their phase shift, or better put, group delay, is pathetic, along with certain other critical behavioral characterstics common to any high end amplifiers where they simply fall short.
I guess if you're to have it compared to anything, what better candidate than an obviously handicapped opponent. That should really level the play field, and yet, perhaps not:
http://www.tnt-audio.com/ampli/monrio_eden_e.html
"The Huygens also 'announces' itself in a powerful fashion. I didn't think that the bass was quite as tight as the MJ but the midrange was richer in tone and the top end very good too, although again, not quite up to the standard of the MJ. Detail and timing were spot on, sound-stage was wide and deep and imaging good, although not quite as precise as with the MJ. And I found the Huygens held my interest better than the MJ. But once again, I wasn't tempted to keep the Huygens in place of my own amplifier. Like the MJ, it just didn't have enough 'magic'! "
"The Huygens sells for much less but still fails to inspire me to give it a strong recommendation."
I"ll chalk up that "held my interest better" despite all the failings as a manditory ode to the hardware supplier.
"Finally, and importantly, I must state (in the interests of safety) that at the time of writing this review, the Huygens amp had not received a European safety certificate, and even to my unqualified eyes, it would have failed to qualify for a certificate as it was supplied for the review. I understand from the supplier, that the Huygens has since been submitted for a safety certificate and is currently awaiting approval. "
Was there lead in it?
And my favorite:
"The MCD-1202 uses Huygens' own design that they claim to be the best class-D design! This is what they say:
This New Class D amplifier technology runs a very high sampling rate Frequency (from around 700KHz~2. 6mhz, at a fixed frequency)"
At any rate.. I don't suppose this supposed certification might perchance include emissions, would it .
I also note this reported "dry"ness is consistent with a previous listening report here that was seen fit to delete.
In your recent advertisement here, I found your included link to be Chinese to me. I was however able to garner from a quick perusing of it that there seemed to be some repeated theme in comparing it to an IcePower variant. I thought immediately, what a stroke of fortune for you, since at least after having your "clips the peaks of the triangle" pitch thoroughly muddied here, your pitch now consists of phase shift.
It is commonly known and easily seen by looking at the datasheet for the Icepower modules that their phase shift, or better put, group delay, is pathetic, along with certain other critical behavioral characterstics common to any high end amplifiers where they simply fall short.
I guess if you're to have it compared to anything, what better candidate than an obviously handicapped opponent. That should really level the play field, and yet, perhaps not:
http://www.tnt-audio.com/ampli/monrio_eden_e.html
"The Huygens also 'announces' itself in a powerful fashion. I didn't think that the bass was quite as tight as the MJ but the midrange was richer in tone and the top end very good too, although again, not quite up to the standard of the MJ. Detail and timing were spot on, sound-stage was wide and deep and imaging good, although not quite as precise as with the MJ. And I found the Huygens held my interest better than the MJ. But once again, I wasn't tempted to keep the Huygens in place of my own amplifier. Like the MJ, it just didn't have enough 'magic'! "
"The Huygens sells for much less but still fails to inspire me to give it a strong recommendation."
I"ll chalk up that "held my interest better" despite all the failings as a manditory ode to the hardware supplier.
"Finally, and importantly, I must state (in the interests of safety) that at the time of writing this review, the Huygens amp had not received a European safety certificate, and even to my unqualified eyes, it would have failed to qualify for a certificate as it was supplied for the review. I understand from the supplier, that the Huygens has since been submitted for a safety certificate and is currently awaiting approval. "
Was there lead in it?
And my favorite:
"The MCD-1202 uses Huygens' own design that they claim to be the best class-D design! This is what they say:
This New Class D amplifier technology runs a very high sampling rate Frequency (from around 700KHz~2. 6mhz, at a fixed frequency)"
At any rate.. I don't suppose this supposed certification might perchance include emissions, would it .
I also note this reported "dry"ness is consistent with a previous listening report here that was seen fit to delete.
I listened to the MCD 1202 while it was sent to me as a testing object.
My conclusion: it sounded like well controlled but you become bored after a while of listening because it cannot bring over emotions like Tripath Amps for example... Great design at all.
My conclusion: it sounded like well controlled but you become bored after a while of listening because it cannot bring over emotions like Tripath Amps for example... Great design at all.
I'm not saying which one is right or wrong (all are good 😀), but so called "emotions" can be result of amp's distortion, usually harmonic distortion.
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