If you have no wires between your regulator and the chip that uses the power, then, put your Cerafines there...
tant beads are bad at high frequencies.
tant beads are bad at high frequencies.
Re: Caps on Super Rayregs
Thanks for the feedback Jim 😉
Next job is SPower on dac analogue
Brent
jimh0612 said:Hi guys.
C1 master clock now installed and very impressed, Brent.
Even just fed from U163 (5v from C815), the extra detail and timing is significant.
Jim
Thanks for the feedback Jim 😉
Next job is SPower on dac analogue

Brent
peufeu said:... A good method I have applied is to use anti-static foam (like the one that came in your computer's motherboard box) and stick it below the PCB, so it will support the PCB and prevent it from slapping around. You could use other stuff if you like.
Antistatic foam IS conductive.

Have you measured it with a DMM ?
I have plenty of that stuff here, and it's all reading between 500R and 5k (depending of the orientation of the probes).
clock output
Hello
After assembling a ( can i say) 'chinese clock' i have found the output to be 2.7v dc but with 50 hz detectable. all has been assembled and triple checked correctly, its runs off a 12v ac nuvotem, also the polarity of output is not whats expected.. the square solder pad is showing the -ve.
any ideas please Simon or Brent.. re page 980
Many thanks
ian
Hello
After assembling a ( can i say) 'chinese clock' i have found the output to be 2.7v dc but with 50 hz detectable. all has been assembled and triple checked correctly, its runs off a 12v ac nuvotem, also the polarity of output is not whats expected.. the square solder pad is showing the -ve.
any ideas please Simon or Brent.. re page 980
Many thanks
ian
Re: clock output
Hi Ian,
It's not my area of expertise, I'm afraid. Do you think this 50hz is coming off the mains? What kind of capacitor smoothing is there?
Simon
ian21 said:Hello
After assembling a ( can i say) 'chinese clock' i have found the output to be 2.7v dc but with 50 hz detectable. all has been assembled and triple checked correctly, its runs off a 12v ac nuvotem, also the polarity of output is not whats expected.. the square solder pad is showing the -ve.
any ideas please Simon or Brent.. re page 980
Many thanks
ian
Hi Ian,
It's not my area of expertise, I'm afraid. Do you think this 50hz is coming off the mains? What kind of capacitor smoothing is there?
Simon
Re: clock output
The ones they use to ship ICs, yep. The one in my last motherboard box wasn't... I wonder if it's still "antistatic", lol. Probably has some treatment.
Hey, interesting, I was wondering about the performance of the chinese clock, so can you please post a pic, or schematics, and a pic of your scope trace ?
avr300 said:Antistatic foam IS conductive.![]()
Have you measured it with a DMM ?
The ones they use to ship ICs, yep. The one in my last motherboard box wasn't... I wonder if it's still "antistatic", lol. Probably has some treatment.
ian21 said:Hello
After assembling a ( can i say) 'chinese clock' i have found the output to be 2.7v dc but with 50 hz detectable. all has been assembled and triple checked correctly, its runs off a 12v ac nuvotem, also the polarity of output is not whats expected.. the square solder pad is showing the -ve.
any ideas please Simon or Brent.. re page 980
Many thanks
ian
Hey, interesting, I was wondering about the performance of the chinese clock, so can you please post a pic, or schematics, and a pic of your scope trace ?
clock ouput
Thanks for the reply Simon, yes the 50.11hz on the output is the same as coming off the nuvotem input it has a 470uf, 100uf & 22uf on input side with a few 100nf on the output side. Thought i'd have a quick check before connecting to the dac, I suppose 2.7v dc is ok just the 50hz i find worrying. could this damage the player ? or just wont read?
thanks again Ian
Thanks for the reply Simon, yes the 50.11hz on the output is the same as coming off the nuvotem input it has a 470uf, 100uf & 22uf on input side with a few 100nf on the output side. Thought i'd have a quick check before connecting to the dac, I suppose 2.7v dc is ok just the 50hz i find worrying. could this damage the player ? or just wont read?
thanks again Ian
Re: clock ouput
I don't have that many pages hehe. Please tell me the post no.
I doubt it, motherboards always come in an antistatic bag, which then sits on the foam cushion.
No idea really mate, but I think it sounds normal! I guess that amount of smoothing is adequate for a small current draw. Some people use a lot more, of course.
I'd connect it, but then I am the kind of guy who'll skid to a stop in deep gravel and earth 1m before the barrier of a slip road because I almost missed the junction off the motorway at over 70mph and the slip lane's already full of cars.
Simon
ian21 said:re page 980
I don't have that many pages hehe. Please tell me the post no.
peufeu said:The one in my last motherboard box wasn't... I wonder if it's still "antistatic", lol. Probably has some treatment.
I doubt it, motherboards always come in an antistatic bag, which then sits on the foam cushion.
ian21 said:Thanks for the reply Simon, yes the 50.11hz on the output is the same as coming off the nuvotem input it has a 470uf, 100uf & 22uf on input side with a few 100nf on the output side. Thought i'd have a quick check before connecting to the dac, I suppose 2.7v dc is ok just the 50hz i find worrying. could this damage the player ? or just wont read?
No idea really mate, but I think it sounds normal! I guess that amount of smoothing is adequate for a small current draw. Some people use a lot more, of course.
I'd connect it, but then I am the kind of guy who'll skid to a stop in deep gravel and earth 1m before the barrier of a slip road because I almost missed the junction off the motorway at over 70mph and the slip lane's already full of cars.
Simon
Hi I have no scope to show a trace my original post was number 9788 regarding the power supply to use( apols not sure how to link that to here) and this is the clock although from a different seller ... and price.
thanks again
Ian
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...item=220226678468&_trksid=p3984.cWAT.m240.lVI
thanks again
Ian
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...item=220226678468&_trksid=p3984.cWAT.m240.lVI
Wow that clock's cheeeep! I'd replace the psu caps personally. I say stick the biggest 16V or 25V cap you can fit on the input side of the regulator.
Good luck.
Good luck.
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Thomo said:
That's not as bad as it seems, you can remove the entire drive mechanism along with the main-board fairly well.
ps - my dac appears to have stopped outputting any signal. Any ideas? It was working the last time I played it, all feeds into the discrete read 0v
Lee.
Hi Lee
Removing the mech would be even more problematic.... I made all the mods without ever removing the large ribbon connecting the main pcb with the display pcb (It is soldered in my cd53).
Hope you sorted out the dac issue.🙁
Ricardo
Re: Caps on Super Rayregs
You mean you have a C1 for the dac clock ?
Relating to sregs, I am using 317 based ones, built using red leds instead of resistors to set the voltage. Also using a capacitance multiplier. On the outputs I have Cerafine and BG depending on the reg use.
Here you have the components:
R122 (+5v PSU DIGITAL) +5V Sreg (LM317 + 2xRed Led bypassed by 220uF Elna + 121r (pins 1-2) + gyrator (BC550C + 120uF Pana FC) + 100uF25v ELNA Cerafine output
R123 (+5v PSU ANALOG) +5V Sreg (LM317 + 2xRed Led bypassed by 10uF Tant + 121r (pins 1-2) + gyrator (BC550C + 120uF Pana FC) + 220uF BG STD output
With these regs on the servo I get Deep tight bass, big overall detail improvement.
Now I will replace the analog dac sreg by a spower.....😉
I believe a good cap after the sreg dramatically enhances the transient response.
Also I think High End is about over doing it.......😀
Ricardo
State of the Art....rowemeister said:
Lots of care was taken when designing the reg, one of those smt caps is actually 10uF lol.
Hi Jimjimh0612 said:Hi guys.
C1 master clock now installed and very impressed, Brent.
Now to redo the regs.
I have been using the basic Rayregs and want to upgrade them to SuperRayregs by adding the VBE before the reg (still LM317 based)
I have quite a few 220u/16v Cerafines, and wondered if it would be ok to put these on the regs between output/ground.
Is it better to stick with the smaller 10u/16v tants, which I think may be faster?
You mean you have a C1 for the dac clock ?
Relating to sregs, I am using 317 based ones, built using red leds instead of resistors to set the voltage. Also using a capacitance multiplier. On the outputs I have Cerafine and BG depending on the reg use.
Here you have the components:
R122 (+5v PSU DIGITAL) +5V Sreg (LM317 + 2xRed Led bypassed by 220uF Elna + 121r (pins 1-2) + gyrator (BC550C + 120uF Pana FC) + 100uF25v ELNA Cerafine output
R123 (+5v PSU ANALOG) +5V Sreg (LM317 + 2xRed Led bypassed by 10uF Tant + 121r (pins 1-2) + gyrator (BC550C + 120uF Pana FC) + 220uF BG STD output
With these regs on the servo I get Deep tight bass, big overall detail improvement.
Now I will replace the analog dac sreg by a spower.....😉
I believe a good cap after the sreg dramatically enhances the transient response.
Also I think High End is about over doing it.......😀
Ricardo
Right, dac problem sorted.
I have now decided to split the supply rails further...
In the CD67, the decoder and servo are combined in the SAA7372. I would like to supply the decoder and servo sections with their own regs if possible. Can anyone help me see which pins do what please?
Datasheet here
Thanks in advance,
Lee.
I have now decided to split the supply rails further...
In the CD67, the decoder and servo are combined in the SAA7372. I would like to supply the decoder and servo sections with their own regs if possible. Can anyone help me see which pins do what please?
Datasheet here
Thanks in advance,
Lee.
clock
Hello
Can anyone tell me what the correct voltage across pin 28 and 2 gnd of the dac should be please, chinese clock (iritating) wants to put -2.5v into 28 and +2.5 at gnd not good dont work no surprise.
Many thanks Ian
Hello
Can anyone tell me what the correct voltage across pin 28 and 2 gnd of the dac should be please, chinese clock (iritating) wants to put -2.5v into 28 and +2.5 at gnd not good dont work no surprise.
Many thanks Ian
Re: Re: Caps on Super Rayregs
Hi Ricardo
1) Yep and
2) Hear hear.
C1 DAC clock, been thinking about divider circuit for the servo - can't afford another C1 unfortunately! This one was a Christmas present from my beautiful wife!!
Thanks for the Reg advice.
You won't be sorry with a C1!
Regards
Jim
RCruz said:
Hi Jim
You mean you have a C1 for the dac clock ?
Also I think High End is about over doing it.......😀
Ricardo
Hi Ricardo
1) Yep and
2) Hear hear.
C1 DAC clock, been thinking about divider circuit for the servo - can't afford another C1 unfortunately! This one was a Christmas present from my beautiful wife!!
Thanks for the Reg advice.
You won't be sorry with a C1!
Regards
Jim
Brentrowemeister said:
Lots of care was taken when designing the reg, one of those smt caps is actually 10uF lol.
I am now working on the spower base (to fit in both holes of U199, replacing it).
Can I add a 220uF BGSTD on the output ?
Regards
Ricardo
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