No thanks, but I'll send you my LX521 instruction booklet for free if you pay for the shipping. PM me.
That's really low-class.
Considering your comments, I'm puzzled why you purchased them (The LX plans) in the first place.
What an interesting turn this thread has taken. 🙂
My goodness.
Dave.
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Hardly. The design is worthless to me now.
Because I drank the subjectivist Kool-Aid early in my DIY Audio enthusiasm. A skeptical, questioning atide, and Electrical Engineering background, led me to question many of the spectacular claims made by certain Gurus. The "trust me, I'm a deign engineer with 40+ years of DIY hobby experience" pushed me to do the exact opposite.
If anything, hopefully this thread will encourage people to apply critical thinking before making a significant financial investment without considering measurable, objective data.
If he wants to gift the license (and plans) to someone who might actually build from them I doubt that SL would object.
But like you (and most others here, I suspect) I just don't "get" the source of the venom . . . he certainly didn't need to see the plans to formulate any of the "objections" he has expressed, and nobody stuck a gun to his head and demanded money. Just chalk it up to . . . "whatever" . . .
I own ORION, listened to LX521, bought the plans, and am building "clones". All as a result of "critical thinking", "critical listening", and my own "measurable, objective" results. Make of that what you will . . .
and "good luck" with whatever you do build . . . I hope it satisfies your needs.
Ps. I also own a pair of Behringer B2030A . . . (and stage manage for a summer festival orchestra, so I have a fair idea what "real" sounds like)
wow, sure, done deal! 😎
I shall PM you and we'll go through this together, just like two mates at the pub..
I will contribute with a donation to the OPLUG so nobody looses anything.
He can't do that. I'd think the plans come with an agreement not to distribute. Otherwise, anybody could buy plans, build a set, gift plans to another ... rinse and repeat.
Absolutely no venom here, no malice, no ill-will to anyone.
What I don't understand is why certain people are threatened by an objective science and engineering based perspective. There's not even an interest to have a rational discussion in regard to the AES Report.
But I certainly empathize with people who make emotional investments in their entrenched beliefs, irrespective of logic. It's the Human condition. In the end I guess certain held DIY Audio beliefs are akin to politics and religion.
mmm puppet is right and I have too much respect for SL to do that, we are a very small community after all..
BS
I can do whatever I want with the book. If I purchase a book or CD at the store, is it illegal to sell or give the physical media away to someone else?
Ethically, I never constructed the speakers, so what's the problem with giving my license away to someone who might appreciate it? What if I purchased the plans as a gift for someone in my family? Same concept.
This is LAME. Now I can't even give the LX521 plans away to someone who might appreciate it.
I don't understand why some of you get upset because of what greenm01 says. His arguments make sense, don't they?
The simple solution is to ask . . . he's not an ogre, after all. The "agreement" (and it's explicitly stated on the plans) is "may not be passed on" . . . but that's pretty clearly for "use". If someone bought the plans "by mistake" and has no intention of building anything based on them something might possibly be worked out . . . there is nothing lost by asking.
People who have built ORION have sold them . . . the "policy" seems to be that the plans transfer with the speakers . . .
I think anyone should audition the speakers they plan to buy. DIY is a bit different though. I have seldom found people able to describe the fidelity or sound quality the same way. Different people focus on different issues, and thus result in different perceptions.
I have found SL's technical assessments valuable, but this does not mean he his perception of a final design is going to be the same as mine.
So really, why spend time comparing what cannot be compared? We should spend more time listening and enoying.
I have found SL's technical assessments valuable, but this does not mean he his perception of a final design is going to be the same as mine.
So really, why spend time comparing what cannot be compared? We should spend more time listening and enoying.
I think that giving the plans to someone is fine. However, giving a book away is not the same as giving the plans away, especially if there is digital data that can easily be retained. That would not just be giving the book away but rather making a copy and keeping the copy after giving the book away. Which is illegal.
If you do not retain any data, or dispose of it after transferring it, then at least ethically you should be fine. Legally it should depend on the agreement you make upon purchase (EULA and whatnot), but I am not a lawyer.
But the Orions' bigger, better drivers (compared to the Berry midwoofer) are also fighting themselves. I suspect in a "bass-off" the vented-cabinet 8" woofer Berrys would actually get louder cleaner than the Orions.