Least Audible Midrange Crossover Type?

Most neutral/least audible crossover topology?

  • B3

    Votes: 8 6.6%
  • LR4

    Votes: 23 19.0%
  • B5

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • LR6

    Votes: 3 2.5%
  • B7

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • LR8

    Votes: 3 2.5%
  • LR2

    Votes: 25 20.7%
  • none of the above

    Votes: 61 50.4%

  • Total voters
    121
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Nice survey, I wonder what the other 50% like!

Terry

Maybe not all, but some may know that what sounds best is what matches the design

A grand old master I knew once said that each component you can remove WITHOUT drawbacks or comprosing will give improvement

He was a strong believer in 4.order ACOUSTIC rolloff

Its a common (mis)belief that less components always sounds better
Its only true if it matches the drivers and design

But sure, a simple crossover sounds good, if it works properly
Well adjusted crossovers has no or little audible effect of its own
The mistake when "hearing" a crossover is mostly based on flawed designs
 
From what I've done (which is not much 🙂):

- LR4 is fine. In fact it's great.
- Electrical phase alignment is a must. XO with no time delay circuit is useless sonically.
- LR4 vs LR2, I cannot hear group delay distortions.
- Trying to cover human voice 300-3khz with no xo point runs to different problems which are more significant acoustically. It sounds bad.
- For dipoles, 1.5khz - 2khz is the sweetspot for tweeter xo region.
- Passive xo are expensive, difficult to realise, and unpredictable.
 
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From what I've done (which is not much 🙂):

- LR4 is fine. In fact it's great.
- Electrical phase alignment is a must. XO with no time delay circuit is useless sonically.
- LR4 vs LR2, I cannot hear group delay distortions.
- Trying to cover human voice 300-3khz with no xo point runs to different problems which are more significant acoustically. It sounds bad.
- For dipoles, 1.5khz - 2khz is the sweetspot for tweeter xo region.
- Passive xo are expensive, difficult to realise, and unpredictable.

Pretty much agreed. About the electrical phase alignment - are you using the time delay to compensate for acoustic center offsets? I agree that the distances between acoustic centers (to the ear) is pretty important, although I align them all physically. The axis of radiation is equally important.

I very much agree that keeping XO's out of the 300-3kHz range is difficult, and if you do, you most likely run into serious auditory degradations, wrt dipoles.
 
Pretty much agreed. About the electrical phase alignment - are you using the time delay to compensate for acoustic center offsets? I agree that the distances between acoustic centers (to the ear) is pretty important, although I align them all physically. The axis of radiation is equally important.

I very much agree that keeping XO's out of the 300-3kHz range is difficult, and if you do, you most likely run into serious auditory degradations, wrt dipoles.

I say impossible if you want higher end speakers that more then one person can enjoy from 12 feet away 😉
 
Pretty much agreed. About the electrical phase alignment - are you using the time delay to compensate for acoustic center offsets? I agree that the distances between acoustic centers (to the ear) is pretty important, although I align them all physically. The axis of radiation is equally important.

I very much agree that keeping XO's out of the 300-3kHz range is difficult, and if you do, you most likely run into serious auditory degradations, wrt dipoles.

Yes, using 2-stage allpass filters.

The effect is readily recognisable if one uses a switch to turn off the delay circuit. Once recognised the sound is pretty obvious and you'd know it instantly on commercial speakers.

I think physical alignment is better as it does not rotate the phase, but sometimes you'd get diffraction problems.
 
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