Don't kill me.....I did search for some time, (and very interesting it was too!) but you could spend your life reading through hundreds of posts to get the exact info I need....
Is this company selling what I need to go true DIY ?
http://www.microversal.co.uk/products/index.html
they sell controllers, power inverters, and cabling systems - if you look through the site a bit they then have a table of which card & which cables are compatible with which bare panel (laptop, rather than desktop monitor panels...am I right?)
No prices mind you, but I have emailed them for a price list, and it seems they sell to individuals as well as companies.
Expert comment is invited!
Is this company selling what I need to go true DIY ?
http://www.microversal.co.uk/products/index.html
they sell controllers, power inverters, and cabling systems - if you look through the site a bit they then have a table of which card & which cables are compatible with which bare panel (laptop, rather than desktop monitor panels...am I right?)
No prices mind you, but I have emailed them for a price list, and it seems they sell to individuals as well as companies.
Expert comment is invited!
No problem.
I have a suspicion that the prices might not be too bad, because they are a small local manufacturing company selling to people who want custom built displays, or to build their own monitors.
As soon as I have it, I'll post it here.
I have a suspicion that the prices might not be too bad, because they are a small local manufacturing company selling to people who want custom built displays, or to build their own monitors.
As soon as I have it, I'll post it here.
That place is very old. I remember it very well. Check out Trident (forget the URL but you'll find it- it's in the UK). They're the ones who actually make that Ultralink LVDS kit.
All of their stuff is outdated and not useful for any LCD made in the past 4 years.
They have C&T chipset controllers which they've been selling for at least 5 years now. These work for TTL panels, and aren't really worth it because you can get the same thing from any LCD monitor, and for less money most likely.
Their "LVDS" controller only supports SVGA resolutions, and it only supports 65k colors. Furthermore, it's not compatible with any LVDS panels found in any laptops made in the past 4 years. It is only compatible with the FPD-link format of LVDS, which is obsolete and proprietary to National Semi's LVDS recievers.
Not only that, it has an interesting feature to support several LCDs, which smells very expensive and is of no use to us.
As far as that Ultralink LVDS kit that I bought (5 years ago), it's just a proprietary method to convert TTL into it's own flavor of LVDS, and LVDS back into TTL. The purpose of this is to have long distance transmission. So this will not drive an "LVDS laptop panel". It just lets you put lots of cable lenght between a TTL controller and TTL panel. They have been selling this thing since long before DVI became the standard system for accomplishing this very task. So it is obsolete and completely pointless.
When I bought it, I had an earth-lcd C&T controller, and an old 6.4" Sharp LCD. The earth controller had the same conenctor as the Ultralink system (44-pin I believe), so I assumed it would work. Far from it. I had re-route a custom made cable so the pinouts would match. Not fun. But it did work. Point is, there the Trident Ultralink LVDS will only work with their controller.
Short story long, that site is all outdated proprietary garbage. They will sell you a controller and a cable and an inverter to power a crappy TTL LCD, and it will work. But you'll be spending $200-$300 to get a crappy LCD to work. Not to mention that the crappy LCD will cost money as well. All the while, you could just buy an MUCH better LCD monitor for less money and not even worry about all this.
As of right now, digitalview is the only place that sells controllers and cables to end-users that will work for high-res LVDS laptop panels. VIA is going to be making an LVDS controller soon for motherboards and video cards, and it looks promising. Until then, the only way to power an expensive high-res laptop panel is to buy a VERY expensive controller from digitalview.
All of their stuff is outdated and not useful for any LCD made in the past 4 years.
They have C&T chipset controllers which they've been selling for at least 5 years now. These work for TTL panels, and aren't really worth it because you can get the same thing from any LCD monitor, and for less money most likely.
Their "LVDS" controller only supports SVGA resolutions, and it only supports 65k colors. Furthermore, it's not compatible with any LVDS panels found in any laptops made in the past 4 years. It is only compatible with the FPD-link format of LVDS, which is obsolete and proprietary to National Semi's LVDS recievers.
Not only that, it has an interesting feature to support several LCDs, which smells very expensive and is of no use to us.
As far as that Ultralink LVDS kit that I bought (5 years ago), it's just a proprietary method to convert TTL into it's own flavor of LVDS, and LVDS back into TTL. The purpose of this is to have long distance transmission. So this will not drive an "LVDS laptop panel". It just lets you put lots of cable lenght between a TTL controller and TTL panel. They have been selling this thing since long before DVI became the standard system for accomplishing this very task. So it is obsolete and completely pointless.
When I bought it, I had an earth-lcd C&T controller, and an old 6.4" Sharp LCD. The earth controller had the same conenctor as the Ultralink system (44-pin I believe), so I assumed it would work. Far from it. I had re-route a custom made cable so the pinouts would match. Not fun. But it did work. Point is, there the Trident Ultralink LVDS will only work with their controller.
Short story long, that site is all outdated proprietary garbage. They will sell you a controller and a cable and an inverter to power a crappy TTL LCD, and it will work. But you'll be spending $200-$300 to get a crappy LCD to work. Not to mention that the crappy LCD will cost money as well. All the while, you could just buy an MUCH better LCD monitor for less money and not even worry about all this.
As of right now, digitalview is the only place that sells controllers and cables to end-users that will work for high-res LVDS laptop panels. VIA is going to be making an LVDS controller soon for motherboards and video cards, and it looks promising. Until then, the only way to power an expensive high-res laptop panel is to buy a VERY expensive controller from digitalview.
Thanks Lifter....
I was interested to hear your experiences with this technology - my searching for a smaller (14" or less) XGA panel is only ever going to end with me finding a laptop panel. Someone has posted about a Norcent monitor recently which looks promising, but if you're going to take risks with $200 (and your sanity!), you want better potential rewards - for instance to get a better CR.
Zardoz once made a good point about if you do go down the controller & laptop panel route its a lot less fragile, which is worth bearing in mind when considering the few expensive "accidents" that people have had when modding LCD monitors.
Even if the PCI ultraview kit was any good, it still doesn't provide hardware MPEG decoding, and very few (if any) software decoders seem to support PCI video controllers.
I think I will take your sound advice and investigate desktop monitors in more depth - however I look forward to when this new hardware you mentioned appears on the market.
I was interested to hear your experiences with this technology - my searching for a smaller (14" or less) XGA panel is only ever going to end with me finding a laptop panel. Someone has posted about a Norcent monitor recently which looks promising, but if you're going to take risks with $200 (and your sanity!), you want better potential rewards - for instance to get a better CR.
Zardoz once made a good point about if you do go down the controller & laptop panel route its a lot less fragile, which is worth bearing in mind when considering the few expensive "accidents" that people have had when modding LCD monitors.
Even if the PCI ultraview kit was any good, it still doesn't provide hardware MPEG decoding, and very few (if any) software decoders seem to support PCI video controllers.
I think I will take your sound advice and investigate desktop monitors in more depth - however I look forward to when this new hardware you mentioned appears on the market.
Is this a "proper" lcd controller card?
Just seen this video card on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2729521048&category=27387
It mentions it offers this functionality (as well as DVD decoding)
◊ Integrated dual LVDS Transmitter
supporting LCD panels up to 2048x1536
My understanding is of this is :
It will control an LCD panel, but there's no way of finding out which ones it will work with
I still need a special cable
Where would the cable attach, as the card only had two 15pin D connectors on the backplate?
Is this card in fact only suitable / equipped for use with LCD monitors - (but then again, don't lcd monitors have all the necessary hardware on board anyway?)
Thank you....I promise not to draw this issue out much longer.
One last thing......
Does anyone know of software DVD decoders that will support PCI video cards under Windows XP Pro. I have MGI Soft DVD Max and PowerDVD which both give unfriendly messages if I try it.
If worse comes to worst I will roll back to W98SE and use a PCI video card with my old Hollywood MPEG2 decoder on an old PC I have in the loft as a dedicated machine for my pj.
Just seen this video card on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2729521048&category=27387
It mentions it offers this functionality (as well as DVD decoding)
◊ Integrated dual LVDS Transmitter
supporting LCD panels up to 2048x1536
My understanding is of this is :
It will control an LCD panel, but there's no way of finding out which ones it will work with
I still need a special cable
Where would the cable attach, as the card only had two 15pin D connectors on the backplate?
Is this card in fact only suitable / equipped for use with LCD monitors - (but then again, don't lcd monitors have all the necessary hardware on board anyway?)
Thank you....I promise not to draw this issue out much longer.
One last thing......
Does anyone know of software DVD decoders that will support PCI video cards under Windows XP Pro. I have MGI Soft DVD Max and PowerDVD which both give unfriendly messages if I try it.
If worse comes to worst I will roll back to W98SE and use a PCI video card with my old Hollywood MPEG2 decoder on an old PC I have in the loft as a dedicated machine for my pj.
Every and each MX440 card manufacturer tells the same story about "integrated dual LVDS transmitter", which is kind of true, but none of the cards actually have got the LVDS connector. If there were it should work, as the laptop manufacturers who use these Nvidia chipset can tell you.
Maybe if we ask some Chinese ~ Asian manufacturer could put the LVDS connector there on the PCB and make some profit with it. Wasn't there someone who had worked out how the www.china-tft.com site works? How is if someone just suggests to buy 3000 pieces of MX440 cards with LVDS connector?
Edit: Sorry, the china-tft is just for TFT:s. However, there might be similar www sites for PC adapter card manufactures?
Maybe if we ask some Chinese ~ Asian manufacturer could put the LVDS connector there on the PCB and make some profit with it. Wasn't there someone who had worked out how the www.china-tft.com site works? How is if someone just suggests to buy 3000 pieces of MX440 cards with LVDS connector?
Edit: Sorry, the china-tft is just for TFT:s. However, there might be similar www sites for PC adapter card manufactures?
Surely this look more promising?
This company seem to be better again....
and they sell to end-users - their AGP cards are £120 GBP
Please have a quick look and tell me if this equipment looks good, or if I am wasting my time again....
http://www.milesie.co.uk/asp/lcddisplays.asp
This company seem to be better again....
and they sell to end-users - their AGP cards are £120 GBP
Please have a quick look and tell me if this equipment looks good, or if I am wasting my time again....
http://www.milesie.co.uk/asp/lcddisplays.asp
Also this BBS-Systems DVI receiver with LDS out looks good. Not many chips on board, might be inexpensive...
mmmmm....German....
Can you give some translation mhelin
...just the highlights!
Any idea about a supplier?
Can you give some translation mhelin
...just the highlights!
Any idea about a supplier?
Supplier Glyn (www.glyn.de in Germany or www.glyn.com in UK). Price unknown. DVI input LVDS (max. 2 channel) or TTL output. Supports video modes upto 1600x1200 (UXGA, not sure if SXGA+ is supported). On board voltage selection for 3.3V / 5V panels. Automatic panel and backlight power switching following DVI signal. DVI-D connector, 34 pin LVDS connector. Supports EDID 1.3 for HotPlug. 3x8 bit color support.
Yet another DVI controller:
ES&S DVI-XXXX
ES&S also supplies (or makes) all kind of cables.
Edit:
Datasheet for the XGA model
Looks similar to the another German model.
ES&S DVI-XXXX
ES&S also supplies (or makes) all kind of cables.
Edit:
Datasheet for the XGA model
Looks similar to the another German model.
How about....
Are there any objections to using something like this:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2729033217&category=8080
Are there any objections to using something like this:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2729033217&category=8080
Re: How about....
Epia-M 9000 & case & 256 Mb DDR RAM for 235 EUR is a good buy. Just be sure it's got the LVDS thing!
henrik_mork said:
Epia-M 9000 & case & 256 Mb DDR RAM for 235 EUR is a good buy. Just be sure it's got the LVDS thing!
"1 Connector für LVDS-Module" what does it mean, you got to buy a separate LVDS module. Is it available yet?
Wes Marquenie said:
Both DVI receivers (BBS and ES&S) use Silicon Image's chips. As do many other TFT monitor manufacturers.
Haven't found a place with the Epia M LVDS daughterboard which is needed if you want to use Epia's with LVDS panels.
Anyway, found a mini-itx board with 845G chipset and dual LVDS output. £169, without the CPU.
Anyway, found a mini-itx board with 845G chipset and dual LVDS output. £169, without the CPU.
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