It's rather difficult to distinguish between personas who both use gloves and wish you to say Aah.
SY,
I was lent Bybees that were supposedly optimum for speaker lead placement, so that's were they were tried.
They certainly did more than would be expected by simple measurements of the device, effectively zero ohms and no more inductance than the same length of wire, but while sounding "different" I didn't feel it enhanced downward dynamic range (one of my key deciding points) nor did they remove any noise or artifacts that were unpleasant.
I didn't trythem anywhere else, and as they are expensive, they were given back.
Regards, Allen
I was lent Bybees that were supposedly optimum for speaker lead placement, so that's were they were tried.
They certainly did more than would be expected by simple measurements of the device, effectively zero ohms and no more inductance than the same length of wire, but while sounding "different" I didn't feel it enhanced downward dynamic range (one of my key deciding points) nor did they remove any noise or artifacts that were unpleasant.
I didn't trythem anywhere else, and as they are expensive, they were given back.
Regards, Allen
jacco vermeulen said:
Can you get your money back within 30 days if you are not fully satisfied?
traderbam said:
That´s the way it should be, but every so often is not.
Scientific work can be as easy leading to false results, not to speak about the possibility of just to fake experimental data to provoke a certain outcome, as has been done quite often in the past and in very different fields.
As long as nobody tries to reproduce the work it is hard to really qualify the results.
Cancer is a horrible disease and if you are interested in proven medical treatment you should really read some of the studies over at pubmed.
I´m quite happy that in the recent few years a lot of complementary and alternative therapie ideas got more attention and quite often was confirmed in studies to be useful.
On the other hand, a lot of people just tried to defraud patients.
But as today nobody really seems to know why some people develop tumors and other do not, it seems to be wise to look in every possible direction.
We cannot argue with that. He may well believe this. How can we ever know? Of course, the marketing message here is that if Jack Bybee believes it then we should trust his judgement.
This can be objectively assessed. Of course, it depends upon how the word "stunning improvement" is defined. The marketing message is that we will experience a stunningly good improvement in our own system.
A little ambiguous. Not really relevant anyhow unless one is choosing between bullets and the set of extensive upgrades. Marketing message is that this single product is great value.
The secret ingredient. The marketing message is that the product incorporates latest, leading edge technology and therefore the performance will be better than anything before.
Objective fact. Marketing message is that only the best materials are used - you get Eichmann as well as ByBee.
Again, the dramatic improvement can be objectively validated as for claim 2. But note the burn-in caveat. The buyer is advised that the product has not been fully finished in the manufacturing process - you are buying unripe fruit. The marketing message is that you must have the faith in the product to use it for 100 hours before you judge it. If you don't appreciate the "sonic improvement" without using it for 100 hours then you may be making a mistake by returning it. Must be returned within 30 days.
Objective fact.
I think claims 2 and 6 can be objectively validated and I would be interested to hear about how folks have gone about this and their results.
How you go about this matters. I mean, aside from the standard double-blind precautions, if a stunning sonic improvement is validated, then we still don't know what caused the difference. A "control" is needed to determine whether it is correlated to the secret ingredient or whether it is to do with other properties of the bullet. We can say the bullet makes an improvement, but we cannot say whether a placebo bullet would do just as well. Why do we care? Because we believe we are paying for the unique benefit of the secret ingredient.
Well, then we nead a raw control set to compare with (blind test), after 100 hours burning in.
burn-in
Brian, If you cut off the wires they have the right shape to put them into his xxse. 😀
Brian, If you cut off the wires they have the right shape to put them into his xxse. 😀
Edmond, have you no shame?!My eyes are watering.
Have you thought this through? Won't the "stunning" experience be reduced if the Eichmann spades are cut off?
I am already regretting this post.
Has everyone 'vented' now? I could, but I won't bother to respond to the Bybee or the medical threads. I've known people who have died of cancer, whether they went to the hospital and got every treatment medically possible and those who did the alternate route, I would probably use both if I needed help.
All that I can hope for in the future is a 'level playing field' where critics can be addressed with equal gusto, as the critics attack 'unproven' audio aids, and the people who discover them.
All that I can hope for in the future is a 'level playing field' where critics can be addressed with equal gusto, as the critics attack 'unproven' audio aids, and the people who discover them.
traderbam said:
If somebody returns the product after 100h of burn-in and I eventually buy the same unit, do I need to burn-in again?
John,
I believe the rule of the scientific method is that hypotheses are considered suspect until objectively tested. Not, every attractive idea should be considered valid until tested.
The Bybee products may well do what they claim, for some customers, I have no idea. But I consider this a hypothetical claim in the absence of testing.
As you are a respected industry expert, and you are supporting the ByBee claims (please excuse me if I have misunderstood you), and you have access to ByBee products, I am interested in how/if you undertook an objective test of the claims and what you found.
Brian
I believe the rule of the scientific method is that hypotheses are considered suspect until objectively tested. Not, every attractive idea should be considered valid until tested.
The Bybee products may well do what they claim, for some customers, I have no idea. But I consider this a hypothetical claim in the absence of testing.
As you are a respected industry expert, and you are supporting the ByBee claims (please excuse me if I have misunderstood you), and you have access to ByBee products, I am interested in how/if you undertook an objective test of the claims and what you found.
Brian
No, you are confusing 'burn-in' with 'warm-up'. I have heard the difference between 'burned in' and not 'burned in' components in my and Jack Bybee's components.
We had to do extensive 'burn-in' of Bear's Silver wire. A VERY difficult wire to 'burn-in'. (Sorry, Bear, but I had to be complete) However, it was all worth it, especially to the people who own 1/2 million dollar sound systems, for example, and live the essence of audio reproduction, while being stinking rich.
Jack and others have found that Cryo treating can speed up 'burn-in' in some components. I am surprised that it took so long, because of this, with some of his latest products.
A funny aside: My former BLOWTORCH partner, Bob Crump, also made connecting cables, speaker cables and AC line cords, under the company name, TG Audio. He found that he had to 'break-in' the cables himself, for the most part, because reviewers and users were too lazy to do so.
Therefore, he converted his garage as a 'burn-in' room and ran a mixture of music, square waves, and who knows what else through his wires and cables, before sending them to customers. Bear's silver wire was 'broken-in' while on the spool, for 30 days or so, before being used in the BLOWTORCH. (One of our secrets to our audio success)
Well, his electricity bill was monitored by the local police as being excessive, so they raided his garage, looking for pot plants. They only found wires being 'broken in'.
We had to do extensive 'burn-in' of Bear's Silver wire. A VERY difficult wire to 'burn-in'. (Sorry, Bear, but I had to be complete) However, it was all worth it, especially to the people who own 1/2 million dollar sound systems, for example, and live the essence of audio reproduction, while being stinking rich.
Jack and others have found that Cryo treating can speed up 'burn-in' in some components. I am surprised that it took so long, because of this, with some of his latest products.
A funny aside: My former BLOWTORCH partner, Bob Crump, also made connecting cables, speaker cables and AC line cords, under the company name, TG Audio. He found that he had to 'break-in' the cables himself, for the most part, because reviewers and users were too lazy to do so.
Therefore, he converted his garage as a 'burn-in' room and ran a mixture of music, square waves, and who knows what else through his wires and cables, before sending them to customers. Bear's silver wire was 'broken-in' while on the spool, for 30 days or so, before being used in the BLOWTORCH. (One of our secrets to our audio success)
Well, his electricity bill was monitored by the local police as being excessive, so they raided his garage, looking for pot plants. They only found wires being 'broken in'.
john curl said:
Nevertheless, I'm still convinced he has smoked an incredible amount of pot.
You sir, are a slanderer of a deceased person, loved by many in the audio community. The STRONGEST thing that he did smoke was tobacco, and he drank only a beer or two, on occasion. I knew him as a business partner for about 10 years.
JC said:
Being called a pot smoker isn't considered slanderous in Holland. And even if it were, no one would care. 😛 They're very progressive over there in Europe.
We are the same here, in California, BUT this as a direct insult on the memory of my deceased friend and business partner, in order to degrade his character, BECAUSE he did not follow the 'herd' concepts that are contributed here.
john curl said:
I'm absolutely sure it was worth of
As of "live the essence of audio reproduction" do you think there is any correlation between the wallet thickness and the hearing abilities? If so, this could certainly explain while most of the engineers are stone deaf.
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