Joshua_G said:
Is it a coalition of those who constantly attack JC and some of his ideas?
You people seem to be very good at verbal arguments.
I'd love to hear amplifiers you designed.
If it is a coalition, it is one of people that feel as expressed by Stinius. JC is a very accomplished audio designer. Your credentials, judged by your many posts here, cannot even stand in his shadow. That is not meant as a personal insult, I am stating how you are perceived.
I personally feel something I can best describe as 'shame by proxy' that John feels fit to support you; and he even doesn't really support you but whips you on for reasons only he knows.
If you would understand this kind of thing you would do what SY suggested, try to stand on your own feet instead of trying to stand on the shoulders of someone you can't even tie the shoelaces for.
There's nothing wrong with being less experienced than someone else; I meet people smarter than me all the time. But there's a lot wrong with trying to present yourself better than you are, even by trying to associate with a smart one, because those smart people look through you within 100 miliseconds.
I am not writing this trying to hurt you personally, I have no desire and nothing to win by that. I am just trying to open your mind to the possibility that this forum is not a collection of people out to kill each other but that there are many that genuinely try to help others, not just on audio. You can learn a LOT from those posts directed at you, if you would only read them openminded.
This is not a collection of people to 'attack JC and his ideas'. It is a collection of people trying to advance their knowledge of audio in general. If Mr. Curl, or whoever, says something that flies in the face of what is understood by others, or is in contrast with earlier statements, that is interrogated. That has nothing to do with respect. As syn08 noted, you can have a lot of respect for JC (I have) and still not agree to some of his opinions (I don't). That is the meaning of 'respect and the truth do not always overlap'.
If you accept everything someone says without critical comtemplation and without giving the person the benefit of your alternate views, you are in fact showing a lot of disrespect.
Now, I know, several here will call me stupid to write this, because there is a chance that you push all of this away and come back with a totally irrelevant post like 'show me your schematic of your regulator' or something like that. But I take that chance.
Best regards,
Jan Didden
SY said:
I've published several of my designs, with a new line-stage article to appear shortly. You're free to build them and draw your own conclusions.
When you'll come over here, or I'll come over there – I'll listen to it.
By your ideas about audio, I doubt that it will sound anything close to my expectations of SOTA audio.
syn08 said:
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Do you have any idea what a gyrator is?
A gyrator is a kind of capacitor multiplier.
Joshua_G said:A gyrator is a kind of capacitor multiplier.
BZZZTTTT... Wrong guess.



Gyrator is more usefull in theoretical analysis than in praxis; for example to create electro-acoustic model of speaker.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrator
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrator
It's eminently practical. Routinely used in equalizers and crossovers. From the article you referenced:
Gyrator circuits are extensively used in telephony devices that connect to a POTS system. This has allowed telephones to be much smaller, as the gyrator circuit carries the DC part of the line loop current, allowing the transformer carrying the AC voice signal to be much smaller, due to the massively reduced current. Circuitry in telephone exchanges has also been affected with gyrators being used in line cards. Gyrators are also widely used in hi-fi graphic equalizers, parametric equalizers, discrete bandstop and bandpass filters (such as rumble filters), and FM pilot tone filters.
I used one in my electronic crossover (The Acheron). Worked just like the textbooks predicted.
Joshua_G said:
I've read this thread from post #1 and seen lot of schematics, including Vendetta.
However, should you follow how the regulator I came up with evolved, you'll see I didn't copy anything.
Should I wish to copy anything, I'd do so to begin with – but may be not publish the fact that I'm copying.
Anyhow, the regulator I came up with, with the blessed assistance of John Curl, is similar to the Vendetta's Phono Amplifier – but not identical.
So?
Do you know of any BJT with noise figure similar to 2SK170?
Joshua, could you tell us the difference between the latest schematic you have posted here and Vendetta first stage low noise follower/ps. buffer, save larger C2 value? To be honest, Mr.Curl used different but similar J-fets as pass transistors since he did not wish to waste hard to find devices in less important position. All in all circuits are identical.
I have been using this circuit in my phono stage for almost three years. BJT version was tried using cheap low noise transistors Bc550/560c. There were no subjective difference between them.
Joshua_G said:
I'd love to hear amplifiers you designed.
They have been engineered to be undistinguishable in a blind test from each other and other similarly well engineered amplifiers.
Originally posted by janneman
If it is a coalition, it is one of people that feel as expressed by Stinius. JC is a very accomplished audio designer.
Some of your posts reflect and express just the opposite.
Originally posted by janneman
Your credentials, judged by your many posts here, cannot even stand in his shadow.
I didn't say, didn't imply and I don't think I can stand in JC's shadow.
If anyone was impressed otherwise – it's but a wrong impression.
Originally posted by janneman
That is not meant as a personal insult, I am stating how you are perceived.
Perceived by your perception. Your wrong perception of me tells about yourself more then it tells about me.
Originally posted by janneman
I personally feel something I can best describe as 'shame by proxy' that John feels fit to support you; and he even doesn't really support you but whips you on for reasons only he knows.
Yet another example of your "respect" to JC.
You’d better look at your own integrity.
Originally posted by janneman
If you would understand this kind of thing you would do what SY suggested, try to stand on your own feet instead of trying to stand on the shoulders of someone you can't even tie the shoelaces for.
I'm neither an engineer nor a designer.
Also, I'm not ashamed to learn from anyone and everyone – in life as well as in electronics.
In those circuits, I'm after the best possible sound I can possibly get – I'm not after feeding my ego.
Do you get it?
Originally posted by janneman
There's nothing wrong with being less experienced than someone else; I meet people smarter than me all the time. But there's a lot wrong with trying to present yourself better than you are, even by trying to associate with a smart one, because those smart people look through you within 100 miliseconds.
What you take as "seeing me" is but a wrong impression of me.
Originally posted by janneman
I am not writing this trying to hurt you personally, I have no desire and nothing to win by that. I am just trying to open your mind to the possibility that this forum is not a collection of people out to kill each other but that there are many that genuinely try to help others, not just on audio. You can learn a LOT from those posts directed at you, if you would only read them openminded.
I know what I do know and I know what I don't know. Hence, I know which advice to follow.
For instance, when I hear differences in sound between different cables and someone tries to prove "scientifically" that such differences are impossible – I know to trust my ears.
Another instance, when someone interprets my motives the opposite from they really are, I know I cannot follow his advice concerning my behavior.
Originally posted by janneman
This is not a collection of people to 'attack JC and his ideas'.
This is what you actually do, every now and than.
Originally posted by janneman
It is a collection of people trying to advance their knowledge of audio in general.
By proving "scientifically" that differences in sound between different cables are impossible?
Come on – open you own eyes and mind.
Originally posted by janneman
If you accept everything someone says without critical comtemplation and without giving the person the benefit of your alternate views, you are in fact showing a lot of disrespect.
One of the reasons for me being so enthralled by this thread is that so many things of what JC wrote are in accord with my own experience.
Originally posted by janneman
Now, I know, several here will call me stupid to write this, because there is a chance that you push all of this away and come back with a totally irrelevant post like 'show me your schematic of your regulator' or something like that. But I take that chance.
If you think you have good knowledge in audio, coming up with your own design will be the only proof to it.
PMA said:Gyrator is more usefull in theoretical analysis than in praxis; for example to create electro-acoustic model of speaker.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrator
Capacitance multiplier is also referred to as a gyrator.
Jan has published dozens of articles with his designs over the past 30 years in Audio Amateur, AudioXpress, and Elektor, and has JAES articles to his credit. His work in regulator circuits (on his own and in collaboration with Walt Jung) is standard reading for anyone involved in audio.If you think you have good knowledge in audio, coming up with your own design will be the only proof to it.
Please remove your foot from your mouth.
Thank you, Syn08. Much appreciated!
Noise spread is worse than I hoped it would be....
Sigurd
Noise spread is worse than I hoped it would be....
Sigurd
syn08 said:
Thank you, I just did it myself.
2SK170 @ Id=5mA (to keep all the population under or at Idss), Vds=10V, f=1KHz, common source.
Edit: 5mA
Originally posted by kamis
Joshua, could you tell us the difference between the latest schematic you have posted here and Vendetta first stage low noise follower/ps. buffer, save larger C2 value? To be honest, Mr.Curl used different but similar J-fets as pass transistors since he did not wish to waste hard to find devices in less important position. All in all circuits are identical.
So? What is your point here?
Originally posted by kamis
I have been using this circuit in my phono stage for almost three years. BJT version was tried using cheap low noise transistors Bc550/560c. There were no subjective difference between them.
Subjective differences differ from one person to another.
What are the differences in noise figures?
analog_sa said:
They have been engineered to be undistinguishable in a blind test from each other and other similarly well engineered amplifiers.
Good for you – it saves you money on audio gear.
I'm not that fortunate.
SY said:
Jan has published dozens of articles with his designs over the past 30 years in Audio Amateur, AudioXpress, and Elektor, and has JAES articles to his credit. His work in regulator circuits (on his own and in collaboration with Walt Jung) is standard reading for anyone involved in audio.
Please remove your foot from your mouth.
Published designs is one thing.
The way they sound may be a different thing.
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