KBK said:
This would surprise me, or maybe not. Noel Lee has their number and he's banking on it.
Have some perspective, this is interconnect wire after all.
That's always been my hypothesis.
I do wonder, however, when I have something like that biodynamic Poulsard from Overnoy, the subject of a particularly... notorious review.
scott wurcer said:
Actually, the vast majority of audiophiles have given up on any of his products. He does not advertise in the audio rags these days, for the most part.
Nowadays, he tries to sell and successfully sells his product in major chain stores, and that reputation is predicated on the 'audiophile' pedigree. This is laughable, for..as stated, the vast majority of audiophiles have given up on the product as mediocre, at best.
Now 18 year old pimply faced kids hawk and push his wares in Best Buy & The Future Shop (In Canada, that is, I dunno about the US), as customers and sales folk alike are blissfully unaware.
It works out well in that the harshness of the sonic presentation of all the mediocre junk hawked at those stores needs something to roll off and get rid of all the badly emphasized and maligned timing and sonic cues that come out of all that junk. It' s mainstream -for the mainstream.
The Noel Lee part is a bit of a sorry and over used card that is entirely ineffective and not germane to the quandary. (as viewed from this area of the quandary)
The perspective IS correct-You aren't getting it. I just told you that and showed how and where over the past year(s) or so, repeatedly.
You just told me that you are not getting it. 🙂
Still.
KBK said:
I'm sorry to disappoint, I'll keep trying. In the mean time I will keep watching out for the yellow snow. One of the things you realize when walking your dogs after a fresh snow is what they are so interested in the rest of the time.
Cables and Jupiter's moons
I just tested a new digital optical cable from my CD to my preamp, but it didn't sound good, but having read Andre I will now retest it.
With Jupiter's moons having moved it is no doubt going to sound different now.
I am really hopeful of great results.
Mind you the error readout on the preampd said the digital error rate was zero erorrs and zero corrected bits but I don't think that matters much, does it ?
I just tested a new digital optical cable from my CD to my preamp, but it didn't sound good, but having read Andre I will now retest it.
With Jupiter's moons having moved it is no doubt going to sound different now.
I am really hopeful of great results.
Mind you the error readout on the preampd said the digital error rate was zero erorrs and zero corrected bits but I don't think that matters much, does it ?
FrankWW said:
I did not make that statement as a fact, more to bring over a point (perhaps to take a stab at AC3 also 🙂). I still say that we can detect low level information even in the presence of louder sounds. Something like tracking a conversation in a noisy environment.
André
Who knows why wires sound the way they do? I personally have invested an extra $3000 in test equipment with a TDR and a high speed FFT measurement system hoping to get some real breakthroughs, but to little avail.
I now mostly go with what works. Really thick speaker cable would seem to me to have a significant amount of 'skin effect'. Anyone want to respond?
I now mostly go with what works. Really thick speaker cable would seem to me to have a significant amount of 'skin effect'. Anyone want to respond?
Re: Cables and Jupiter's moons
Jupiter's moons won't affect an optical cable, rather try a good 75Ohm coaxial cable. 😀
With a SPDIF output, cables can have a large influence on SQ, there are more to it than sending data bits.
alansawyer said:
Jupiter's moons won't affect an optical cable, rather try a good 75Ohm coaxial cable. 😀
With a SPDIF output, cables can have a large influence on SQ, there are more to it than sending data bits.
scott wurcer said:
I ran across this in The Audio Critic Issue 21 review of the Parasound HCA-2200II:
What a shame that a self-important :bs: artist like Harley could have influence like that.
If a 0.01dB droop at a frequency that you and I lost decades ago is "significant," then yes, it's a significant problem.😉
john curl said:
I agree, based on the LCR theory it would seem that the thicker the cable the better the sound (lowest resistance) but I've found that I loose HF detail. For the full audio spectrum, I would say the optimum dia would be between 2 and 3 sq mm. Don't know if it is due to skin effect or perhaps eddy currents, I will leave that to the clever ones. 🙂
scott wurcer said:
Scott, I agree, he could have bought some serious speaker cable for that money. 😀 😀 😀
If skin effect is going to be considered, you will have to determine the skin depth at different frequencies. And the construction of the cable, speaker in this case, will have to be considered. If there is significant skin effect at the frequencies in question, then a solid core wire will have more effect than a multistrand design.
Peace,
Dave
Peace,
Dave
scott wurcer said:
No doubt speakers matter, but not only speakers – the Sound Quality of each and every component in the setup, including the source, matter.
Andre Visser said:
I've never had a complete system that cost that much. Skin effect and audio, please hand me the pliers.
This is when you assume you know all there is to know about what affects sound quality of a system and how the SQ is affected. It looks to me like a huge assumption here …
This is true for published 'scientific' data.
As for empirical data – it's a different story.
john curl said:
The thickness of speakers cable is but one factor. The material of the wire, the number of strands, the overall construction and the material of the insulation – all take part in the end result.
I choose cables, including speakers cables, by how they sound, not by any published data.
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