syn08 said:
I was wrong, I did that comparison with speaker cables not IC's, here are a description of the cables.
In construction, both comprises of 3sq. mm twisted pair, each of 260 strands. These are arranged first in 7 concentric bundles then woven into a precision rope-lay, low dielectric loss polypropylene insulation, cotton damping and soft PVC sheathing.
The one set of cable use "UHP-OFC" and the other "Monocrystal" copper conductors.
Andre Visser said:
Are you sure you did not read this "scientific" FAQ before your audition test?
http://www.ecossecables.co.uk/Tables/faqmainframe.html
Check the company store. GBP172 ($250 I guess) for a supa dupa power (mains) cable. GBP170 for a mono RCA cable.
For some light entertainment you might try Sarlo's guru rating service when done rating wires http://www.globalserve.net/~sarlo/Ratings.htm
Joshua_G said:
I agree, the result that with careful examination every listening test that ever found wire to be directional was invalid would be very ordinary to me.
john curl said:
You learned the wrong thing, but thanks anyway. I was beginning to feel like a waste of otherwise perfectly fine oxygen.
Thought experiment:
If one makes a perfectly statistically valid and DBT methodologically correct test, but use a Bose Wave Radio to determine cable differences (or any other thing), are the results valid?
Are the results meaningful?
Can they be generalized?
_-_-bear
PS. substitute some other system for "Bose Wave Radio"... then what?
If one makes a perfectly statistically valid and DBT methodologically correct test, but use a Bose Wave Radio to determine cable differences (or any other thing), are the results valid?
Are the results meaningful?
Can they be generalized?
_-_-bear
PS. substitute some other system for "Bose Wave Radio"... then what?
For testing interconnect cables using ABX listening test
you would have to use best possible headphone amplifier
+ best possible headphones
This in order to the distortion from the cables
to be as high as possible in level compared to the rest of system components.
I do not know how big distortion for example 1 m good interconnect has.
But I would be surprised if it isnt levels lower than the best Audio opamps
= OPA637 / AD797 / LME49710
All this to minimize the masking effects,
when very small details is 'drowned' in presens of higher level details
and so can not be perceived by our hearing.
you would have to use best possible headphone amplifier
+ best possible headphones
This in order to the distortion from the cables
to be as high as possible in level compared to the rest of system components.
I do not know how big distortion for example 1 m good interconnect has.
But I would be surprised if it isnt levels lower than the best Audio opamps
= OPA637 / AD797 / LME49710
All this to minimize the masking effects,
when very small details is 'drowned' in presens of higher level details
and so can not be perceived by our hearing.
bear said:
If the result was, "the cables sound different", I would have to accept the result.
If the result was, "the cables sound the same", I could say the Bose system masked any difference.
This has implications 🙂
syn08 said:
I used to think that cable differences are quite small untill a friend gave me a set of "Monocrystal" speakercable to test. I hated him after that. 😀
It was the first time that I've heard the company name, so no I didn't have any knowledge about them or their cables before listening.
Why do cable prices get mentioned when we discuss cable differences? Thats another issue.
john curl said:See what I mean, Andre?Thanks syn08, I just learned something.
Don't worry John, I'm too stupid to be scared. 😀
lineup said:
Yes, you need a decent system to make better cables worthwhile, no need for headphones IMO.
Good interconnects should have very low distortion yes. 😀
I disagree with the "masking effect" theory, it must have been invented with AC3 coding and we all know that, that is not hi-fi.
It is easy to hear ambience and smaller sounds even when some instruments play quite loud. I believe they have come to their conclusions with noise, not well recorded stereo music.
bear said:
Bear, results of every experiment at first only valid under the specific conditions of this particular experiment.
If you want to generalise the results in certain aspects then you´ve to show, that in these points the conditions of the experiment were so, that generalisation is scientific reasonable.
That´s why documentation is needed and why the use of controls is mandatory.
bear said:
Some clowns have shown with their simulator 😱 that there are measureable differences with different cables between different amplifiers and speakers but their verdict was that cables have no influence on the sound.
That is because they are stuck with the 'impossibility' that cables make a difference. Same thing happened to Galileo: "Jupiter's moons are invisible to the naked eye and therefore can have no influence on the earth, and therefore would be useless, and therefore do not exist" Francisco Sizzi (Professor of Astronomy) 1610 Minds have not changed much, just different subjects.
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