Andre Visser said:
Joshua_G said:
The child is anyone who thinks there is point that they have to drive across to another- via their beliefs, specifically the belief that today's textbook somehow accurately describes the future and all future knowledge. If that were true, we'd be born with all the knowledge we need to navigate our lives. A textbook is a map of the ground we've covered-nothing more.
And, to add, I don't even remotely agree with Syn. His judgment is clouded, IMO. Specifically? I feel that if forced to a wall and forced to state (on penalty of death if wrong) what the truth might be-I'd say his knowledge base in these areas is weak. That, combined with his perceptive abilities, all that and possibly the relational aspects between two folks attempting to communicate.
We all march forward, self assured in the world based on our perceptions and mental considerations, painting our realities -- before us. The more aware of such things the given person may be, the better off they are and the more they can bring to this discussion.
High end audio is a complex subject, at best.
But nevermind...
syn08 said:
Perhaps John was right.
syn08 said:
Perhaps you are the one that need to keep an open mind.
syn08 said:
John don't need to CREATE a legacy, he did that years ago.
I can't understand this constant crying, John and most (all?) of his "yesman" believe in good measurements, it is only taken a step further to include our ears / brain, which is ultimately the part that must be satisfied.
syn08 said:
Perhaps you wish to be in his position, therefore criticising everything he stands for.
André
fredex said:
Yes. They are not important to hearing, but to perception. I always use hearing to talk about getting the sound into your ears and henceforth to the brain. Perception is what you conciously 'experience' as hearing. I know, it's confusing.
Earlier I noted that there is two way traffic, that the brain actually can reach back to your hearing apparatus and adjust its gain etc depending on earlier memories of similar situations and expectations. If you have two speakers in different sizes, you 'expect' that the bigger one has better bass. The 'reach-back' effect means that with equal sound pressure output, chances are overwhelming that you conciously experience the bigger one to have better bass (however defined).
Floyd Toole's experiments neatly support that (see: Science in the service of Art).
Your last point is the biggest hurdle to progress in this field. It takes a large jump in self-criticism and self-research to even admit the possibility that there is more to it than the sound that 'pops up' in your head. Yet, the scientific evidence is overwhelming. Not just audio, in every other walk of life.
In some areas it is more accepted than others. In the air line industry for instance it is a factor that is routinely taken care of. Talk to jet pilots: it is very common for them to be completely, absolutely sure that they are flying straight and level while in reality they are making turns while flying upside down. They are trained to ONLY trust their instruments and distrust their own senses. I believe this is one of the hardest things for humans to do.
Jan Didden
john curl said:
John, that's not fair. You have been posting here and given your views on audio for several years. We know your opinions on audio from those 100's of posts where you were very outspoken.
Are you saying that you have been fooling us all? That you really think something completely different that you posted? That can't be true!
Jan Didden
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