John Curl's Blowtorch preamplifier part IV

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My problem is a question of attitude. I do not understand why some refuse to simply listen. They start from measurements or other visual evidences to figure out what they hear. Why are they so afraid of their own feelings ?
Some of us enjoy lining up perceived wisdoms from the 70s and knocking them down for a bit of fun. This is a hobby after all on this forum. (Except for Ed, I think its therapy for him 😀 )



Regarding this retro vinyl fashion, it makes me laugh. No need to have three eyes torn off, to be lobotomized or to organize blind test AZERTY protocols to perceive a difference that you can already indicate before the first note is played ;-)
Even less to invest in a research laboratory in electronic microscopy. And about the wear and tear on vinyls, do you remember the sound of the jukeboxes?
Nothing retro for me. I've had a turntable since the 80s. I enjoy the ritual as does SWMBO. But last night was Glassworks off the server.
 
...Regarding this retro vinyl fashion, it makes me laugh.
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Don't. One of the reasons some bands, especially indie, go the vinyl route is because of piracy. It guarantees them at least some income.
Everything that's digital gets copied and shared in no time.
I also heard of some releasing their material on limited number of compact casettes.
It's hip, it could be had in hand, it could be looked at, it gives one the feeling of ownership. Digital downloads? Who cares. They all will be lost with the purchase of new computer, tablet or phone. Millenials are on completely different trip than old farts like us, you know. 😀
 
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My problem is a question of attitude.
Regarding this retro vinyl fashion, it makes me laugh.

Crying every time I heard the vinyl version of one of my mixes, I could hardly tell the difference between the same master and its digitized version: My turntable has not been used for listening for >30 years. Is it still working?
You are right about attitude, you have a problem.
Assuming that people don’t thrust their own ears while that’s how you listen to music is simply arrogance as is your opinion on Vinyl.

Hans
 
But, once you have chopped out a 2cmx2cm square from anywhere in the record, your replay options for the same track are somewhat diminished.

And using another disc, well if it was from a different stamper all bets are off.
My understandings of all things is pretty basic. But I will trust and appreciate clever engineers of yesteryears and their hard work.
Probably this will explain things. This has been shared ealier in other thread of diyAudio so pardon me.
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I find the weak correlation between what fMRI says and the ostensible claims of activated neural networks, sadly popularized as "you're thinking these things" or "these groups have this pattern of thoughts, so if you want to be like them, think this way; here's the fMRI data to prove it" to be so far beyond the scope of the data.

Absolutely; it goes back to the famous experiments done by Libet (and the conclusions drawn wrt free will) and while the resolution of modern equipment is so much higher, the main difficulty lies in the understanding of the processes in a human brain.

The biggest problem I have with papers coming out of Oohashi's group is their extremely low N coupled with a weak correlation to hard-to-quantify-data.

I needed some time to realise that it is a group of restricted size that does the follow-up studies and then expressed the same concern (i.e. the kind of self-reference), but I still think we can't blame this group for the fact that no one else tried to replicate the experiments.

It is hard-to-quantify-data, but following the old rule that a new finding can't be used as "proof" for the fact that it is correct, the "group" choose the hones route and did additional experiments (even, as posted, tried to find out which way the route to the auditory system could be) that overall seem to deliver corrobation for the first results.

It leaves me with a strong sense of "who cares?"

Good question, in the audio world it seems to be less interesting as the restrictions of old formats will not last, the recording world mainly chooses higher bandwidths anyway and the new ways of distribution tolerate the higher data rates as well. If consumers will pay premium rates for "hi res" material IMO most likely does not depend on the results from one or more groups doing controlled sensory experiments.
Medical use could be interesting and I fear if the military sees any value in it, that will a major driving force.
In any case, regarding the knowledge about the physiology it is still an interesting question too.

Of course, the more I put a lens to a lot of the biological/medical studies done (many famously not-reproducible), the stickier the situation becomes.
Obviously, we have (briefly? ) discussed the "replication crisis" before but we can' t say that the results were not reproducible and the Lenhardt experiments brought some evidence from an "outsider".

Coming from a "cleaner" science background, (i.e. not relying on living creatures 😉), I have to take a pragmatic approach: have these things been translated or rocked the scientific world?

Not sure if they've rocked the scientific world, but there is "some" citing of the publications from authors outside the audio world.
And "loose statistics and poor experimental design" isn't IMO justified as a qualifier for these studies; do you have some examples?

But, of course nothing said so far ensures that the results are for real, and further - as said before - it is still an open question (wrt scientific evidencs) if it of importance beside the gamelan music. 🙂
 
You are right about attitude, you have a problem.
Assuming that people don’t thrust their own ears while that’s how you listen to music is simply arrogance as is your opinion on Vinyl.
I simply invite the reader to reread our two posts and decide who has an arrogant attitude and obvious hostility in the way they interpret things.

I only reported my feelings and my experience, being the first to question myself. I see in your answer only a reflection of this aggressiveness and this violence which invade social networks. What did I tell you to deserve such feelings?
As for my opinion on vinyls, I report the obvious. And I don't question the very particular charm that their reproduction gives. Have you seen me attack J.C. on this subject?
 
"The term "psychoacoustics" also arises in discussions about cognitive psychology and the effects that personal expectations, prejudices, and predispositions may have on listeners' relative evaluations and comparisons of sonic aesthetics and acuity and on listeners' varying determinations about the relative qualities of various musical instruments and performers. The expression that one "hears what one wants (or expects) to hear" may pertain in such discussions"
That what i tried to enlighten, talking to "back and forth". How can a difference hard to perceive in an immediate comparison can matter, comparing to he differences that occurs to each of us between two days, with different air humidity, temperature, various musical sources and personal mood ?

Also, I don't understand the obvious hostility towards mr. RNM or Mark from a handful of contributors to this thread. They reports personal experiences - it turns out that they corroborate many of mine, despite all the differences that separate us - never pretends to hold some absolute truth. They seek, in their own ways, and with obvious passions, to improve the quality of their systems. They can be wrong on the explanations of the phenomena they report this do not question the reality of what they experience.

It seems to me that the few real scientists (read my lips) in this forum would do better to find explanations for what they report, taking-it as hypothesis because it is the result of long experiences, than to launch in loop fatwas against them after putting them away in the infidels' camp.
Hunting witches and their snake oil potions seems to me to be a rather ridiculous occupation and, for many of us, the expected life in front of us is so short.
 
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