what kinda of crap is this from you? You dont know what you are talking about. What i saw, did, etc. I just give the bottom line to help preserve one's precious LPs.
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Because of the surfactant used, only a drop is needed or two on each side. The small bottle goes a long way.
The distortion and wear reduction is something anyone can duplicate for themselves. It works and I found it was as advertised. But still terrible distortion levels IMO. But Scott "likes" it. Maybe others do too. I only mention it for the LP fans. I am not an LP fan club member. So, it doesnt matter to me.
-RNM
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This topic perfectly illustrates the bad faith of some contributors here. ALL those who have had vinyls, including me who used a turntable with radial arm without the harmful effects of lateral tracking force, could observe the deterioration of these pancakes. Especially those who, after a few years, re-bought some vinyls they loved and made a comparison.
As for the liquids which are mentioned, it actually worked very well ... during the duration of the experiment. Very quickly, these liquids with friction residues and/or the inevitable dust, even under a cover and the use of a thin carbon wire moving in the same time than the head, created by drying conglomerates more difficult to remove than the dust itself. These conglomerates came to fill the finest hollows and there was a significant decrease in the presence of treble acute.
As for the liquids which are mentioned, it actually worked very well ... during the duration of the experiment. Very quickly, these liquids with friction residues and/or the inevitable dust, even under a cover and the use of a thin carbon wire moving in the same time than the head, created by drying conglomerates more difficult to remove than the dust itself. These conglomerates came to fill the finest hollows and there was a significant decrease in the presence of treble acute.
Were the photos that Hiten showed (after 300 plays) done in bad faith. BTW the "chips" would cause noise not distortion. I've seen other studies including George's that have similar results.
Photo are not same as showing distortion. you cant easily see distortion from physical looks... even with wear patterns showing.
Shure did many studies on wear. Both cart needle tips and affects on vinyl as well as debris and dust etc and how that contributes to wear also.
THx-RNMarsh
For myself, the high LP distortion just sounded too UNrealistic to me....even after treating with LAST. However, it does lower distortion and thats a good thing to some people.
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RNMarsh, can you more obviously exemplify confirmation bias? It's almost a perfect case study. My goodness, you are seeing only exactly what you want to see to fit the narrative you've already written in your head. George, and I cannot remember whom else (Scott, Hans?), did a huge amount of work to confirm/dispel a large number of old anecdotes about vinyl playback, at least with modern playback setups, putting their test discs quite at risk.
If you don't like it, fine, but don't be surprised to be blasted for what you say when you shoot from the hip like that. It almost like folks here take pride in the lack of self awareness.
If you don't like it, fine, but don't be surprised to be blasted for what you say when you shoot from the hip like that. It almost like folks here take pride in the lack of self awareness.
I am not personally focused on wear as much as distortion. There are vinyl formulations which wore longer than others. What ever the outcome of wear tests is not of interest to me as I said the distortion is so high, I couldnt stand it much. I have not even heard an LP in decades. But, needle which have been played for >800-1000 hours ought to be checked as obviously they do a lot of damage. Too bad, I pointed out crudely that many of the great cartridges are gone and yes there are still some good MC et al but at what cost? Are there any good one that dont cost an arm and a leg. And they have to replace tip at great on-going cost. Dont want to know but just saying.
If LAST is not needed to reduce wear and only keep records clean and tips in good shape... fine. I dont know because I dont care. But, the distortion is a major source annoyance to me. I can put up with just about any trouble to use LP if the distortion wasnt so incredibly high (IMO). Notice I put up before and after LAST treated record for DISTORTION?
THx-RNMarsh
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This. Getting anything useful to stick to vinyl is hard. That's why its used so much for water pipes. finger grease and nicotine seem to be two things that do stick. Once might help reduce friction, one won't. But magic fluids make for filthy records 6 months down the line.
If you worry about friction then wet play.
It is a shame Pardee never listed the friction reduction fluids he used.
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Shockwaves ?😀
Treatening of vinyl surface with somestuff modifies the top resonance, be it harder or softer. Can change from dull to bright or vice versa. (small change)
I think cleaning records is mandytory for reduced noise and stylus wear.
LAST i run some exercises , thereafter i put it into the garbage.
The main difference was that the stylus became a dirt collector with several different trackers and second i lost 50 bucks for useless crap.
Since then i use a record cleaner and still the Decca Brush.
Amen.😱
I'm sorry, Scott, but I'm unable to 'listen' to photos of a microscopic area of a vinyl. I use my ears.
Always took great precautions of my vinyls, never touched their faces with my fingers or any other surfaces, out of their sleeves just at the time to play them, and back in immediately after, always played with an antistatic brush following the head, and my turntable do not allow playing without the top cover opened.
Clicks and pop increase, some distortion on high levels increase, losses of presence increase with years.
On a very practical level, I do not know of any material that does not wear out when rubbed. Either way, it's easy to verify this with a blank disc, leaving it to rotate with the head immobilized on it. Let it run 10 minutes (330 turns) and you will see the track.
Hi Groove,
Good to see you are still well! Any new toys?
@TT: work out how long the diamond is in contact with any section of record then see if you still think your test of the point on a disk makes any sense at all. (hint it doesn't. try using the flat of a saw to cut wood and see how far you get).
Good to see you are still well! Any new toys?
@TT: work out how long the diamond is in contact with any section of record then see if you still think your test of the point on a disk makes any sense at all. (hint it doesn't. try using the flat of a saw to cut wood and see how far you get).
Yes, you can see it, because the record surface is tracked by stylus tip, not the usual two designed contact points.
But of course, vinyl is not without wear.
@Bill
Thanks i am well again, of course some new toys, but just for refresh and sell them,
The FR is still a project.
regards
Frank
But of course, vinyl is not without wear.
@Bill
Thanks i am well again, of course some new toys, but just for refresh and sell them,
The FR is still a project.
regards
Frank
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🙂 😎
It would seem obvious but thanks for making the point. It is needed, apparently.
-Richard
Many excellent MC and MM cartridges that cost much less than a bottle of that snake oil.
I' was a smoker ;-) May-be one of the causes ?
But, about lubricants, I don't know any that do not desiccate with time. Photographers will understand what I mean.
I tried one brand of those liquids, was very satisfied immediately after, had to clean-up my vinyls after some months and never used-it after this.
Just a personal experience.
The problem with all the experiments is they do not take the 'long time' factor.
Anyway, we are beating a dead horse. God bless digital.
Sounds like excuses, which doesn't make it right. "Hey, I was just debating, no matter that the evidence flies straight in the face of what I believe"
Look how well that's doing for us as a species, I realize that the whole "post fact" world thing is upon us and it's not a good look.
This isn't a rapid fire debate where you can only work with what's sitting up in your head, plenty of time to fact check and do your research. It's crazy, you might end up finding out you're wrong on occasion and change up your practices. I'll try to stick to the adage of "Always make new mistakes", which I am fortunate enough to be in a professional position to do on a regular basis (whilst making good progress). Try it on for size every once in a while and you might find out how wrong your perceptions and intuitions are in the face of the evidence in front of you.
Edit -- that's a you in the 3rd person sense, not necessarily directly aimed at you, Markw4. E.g. "one" would have been better language.
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I am so happy for you, then. Enjoy you High distortion LP's.
-RM
PS FYI... LAST is only a few molecules deep and locks into the vinyl's structure. Less, is more with it.
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I'm not your dog. And you are certainly not a master in anything, specially regarding how to behave in society. Stay polite and stop barking.
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