Here a piece I wrote about 2 or 3 years ago on two recordings (both vinyl, but it would equally apply to CD/streaming)
Tale of Two Recordings
Tale of Two Recordings
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Here a piece I wrote about 2 or 3 years ago on two recordings (both vinyl, but it would equally apply to CD/streaming)
Tale of Two Recordings
Thank you for this nice story.
I happen to have this Ella Lp plus many other excellent sounding Lp’s from Ella&Louis, Chet Baker, Cleo Lane etc etc.
They are indeed pieces of art.
Compare this with an Amy Winehouse Lp and you won’t believe your own ears, so bad as it sounds.
Hans
Already been mentioned numerous times, roughly 1/3 of audiophiles are highly neurotic.
It seems to go in both directions!
Early Geddes came up with the 5% number, probably given the usual 95% number once thought sufficient for human studies.
I don't know what the right number is. I do know that there is some portion of the population who have never been the focus of study. Not enough of them to matter in high volume markets, I would imagine.
However, for long term listening a larger number people probably are affected by some aspects of sound quality. It doesn't have to be at a conscious level to influence listening habits. People are influenced in many ways without conscious awareness having a clue that influence and behavior change occurred. It is of course complicated to study like many other aspects of humans.
But you seem happy to spend your time repeatedly saying you perceive something as better whilst apparently understanding that it is meaningless to anyone but yourself
It’s meaningful to me....
Even though I might be the lounge idiot when it comes down to the technical aspects of your EE society there is one thing I wouldn’t trade for all the degrees that hang on the lounge walls......that I can hear/sense these differences argued to death here.
Why do I care?
I never knew this 5% was a thing until joining this forum,......always knew I had a better handle on interpreting sound reproduction than most, and even at a young age gravitated towards professionals in radio and recording studios to learn more, basically have had the question in the back of my mind my entire life.....why?
Well it seems to me as a member of this ‘5%’ it’s my duty to support the fwd motion and help get the answers.
I’m thinking there’s no reason to spend money on research because any further reach is just repressed by respected authorities as ‘what we have now is good enough’ (for 95%).
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Here a piece I wrote about 2 or 3 years ago on two recordings (both vinyl, but it would equally apply to CD/streaming)
Tale of Two Recordings
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No doubt. Perception of better still means nothing to anyone but yourself, same with Mark, it doesn't matter whether superior hearing ability is involved or not, so it also doesn't matter that he can't show any evidence. The same as a blip on a scan showing increased activity in the brain due to ultrasonics doesn't mean anything. When there is some correlation between perception and measurements then there is some meaning to others, until then there is none, is there?I can hear/sense these differences argued to death here.
...When there is some correlation between perception and measurements then there is some meaning to others, until then there is none, is there?
You sure people will accept measurements that they don't like as being valid?
Do you think everyone here is convinced that you and PMA actually heard phase shift from a 100kHz preamp roll off?
PMA said it would never be accepted. I might borrow your words and say it is merely a blip, meaningless.
NoYou sure people will accept measurements that they don't like as being valid?
No. Phase shift may be simplifying it somewhat but I take your pointDo you think everyone here is convinced that you and PMA actually heard phase shift from a 100kHz preamp roll off?
Earl Geddes came up with the 5% number, probably given the usual 95% number once thought sufficient for human studies.
The same Earl Geddes has stated several times the electronics piece of the puzzle is a done deal. I don't think I need to ask him about the sound of cables.
Are you saying Mark isn't properly investigating it?Matt, You are correct, But blas’e dismissal doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be properly investigated........apparently what has been done up to now is not hitting the mark! (Pun intended!)
The same Earl Geddes has stated several times the electronics piece of the puzzle is a done deal...
Says he doesn't know what he doesn't know. Suggests the number might be more than 5%.
He keeps repeating what Earl said about it costing too much, I wonder why?
Why don't I tell you then, because he is likely to be seen as a neutral voice and as has having some authority to estimate a number.
You sure people will accept measurements that they don't like as being valid?
Measurements without context are invalid (that is, not to be trusted). Valid measurements need to pass the criteria of reproducibility, meaning equipment, setup, counter measures against the common pitfalls, error analysis (if applies), integrating in a larger factual context, need all to be disclosed. Showing a chart without any context (sometimes even without labels on the axes) is as BS as subjective listening comments.
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I don't buy it either way. Quite a bit is being done even on this forum, or haven't you noticed, perhaps you don't take it seriously because you don't believe the findings or the tests aren't vigorous enough? All I'm talking about is making statements about perception more meaningful for others, I'm not interested in absolute proof, that is absolute BSWhy don't I tell you then, because he is likely to be seen as a neutral voice and as has having some authority to estimate a number.
Speakers are the big issue to my mind. Regards the electronics we generally accept that a flat FR is a priority, not such with speakers. For example, what is Scottmoose on about here? Fostex new NV Series?The people that matter (the engineers/designers) need to believe it so the general masses can benefit without having to pay audiophool prices!
beat out the snake oil shills at their own game!
Thank you for this nice story.
I happen to have this Ella Lp plus many other excellent sounding Lp’s from Ella&Louis, Chet Baker, Cleo Lane etc etc.
They are indeed pieces of art.
Compare this with an Amy Winehouse Lp and you won’t believe your own ears, so bad as it sounds.
Hans
Yes - I also bought 2 Amy Winehouse records. Terrible.
I liked some of her music but the recordings are abysmal. I think someone was trying to be ‘cool’. Nothing cool or retro about any of it.
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Speakers are the big issue to my mind. Regards the electronics we generally accept that a flat FR is a priority, not such with speakers. For example, what is Scottmoose on about here? Fostex new NV Series?
Hey look, something shiny this way goes!
I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks Amy Winehouse recordings are horrid.......I enjoy alot of her music but can’t stand to listen to it!
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Perception of better still means nothing to anyone but yourself, same with Mark
I think it’s more the fact that there is a difference where there should be none........whether it’s subjectively better to an individual is kindly irrelevant. There is still that difference to address?
Sorry mods......I don’t know how to edit a quote into something already posted?
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