The 16bit versions are down-converted from the 24bit versions and are included for Dreamth who stated he has only cd player.Hey Dan, you must be pulling our legs. "ORIG" file and "ORIG 16bit" file are identical and none of them is 24bit, though "ORIG" file pretends to be 24bit by coding. However levels are 16bit resolution. The files differ in 1bit (dithering?) noise. So any audible difference between these two is a wrong playback system.
I already stated that the source files are of varying provenance (Youtube, MP3, 16bit Flac etc) and are attenuated and converted to 24bit source files for the purpose of the loopback processing.
No dithering or SRC is employed in any of the files.
Please suggest a genuine native 24bit file that you like that I can process.
Dan.
Hey Dan, you must be pulling our legs. "ORIG" file and "ORIG 16bit" file are identical and none of them is 24bit, though "ORIG" file pretends to be 24bit by coding. However levels are 16bit resolution.
This is common under Win, there is no warning and the files are mislabeled, and even possibly re-sampled.
It's not a bug, it's a feature 😉.Wasn't here some time, if we speak about that Lana Del Rey sample, mastering is really disgusting.
Dan.
I am running ASIO (with Reaper DAW) so no funky Windows auto resampling stuff, the 24bit resampling is deliberate so that I can attenuate without loss of resolution.This is common under Win, there is no warning and the files are mislabeled, and even possibly re-sampled.
Are there optimal attenuation absolute values in the range of 2dB (80%) that cause least numerical/rounding errors ?.
Dan.
Are there optimal attenuation absolute values in the range of 2dB (80%) that cause least numerical/rounding errors ?.
There are resources that describe how to do this properly, for music I don't see why the above should be true.
If I spent the afternoon searching the web I could find many phono preamp reviews describing the "black" silence of the background noise, even though there are no LP's better than -70dB. So I can't see adding -80dB of noise to something that's mixed for the sound wars being obvious.
Because it's fun to experiment with these things. I make no claims of superiority just that a man needs a hobby this is as good a one as ever. I have 10x the number of digital recordings as analog and enjoy music from both sources.
Yes but wrt to vinyl the discussion is more over how easily the ear is fooled rather than great bass.
Back to ear being easily fooled. Vinyl is mono below 150Hz
Where did I say that? Hint, I didn't.
Nope don't need anything below 16Hz. My headphones are flat to 10Hz though.
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I never claimed vinyl was perfect - just that the bass on a record I listened to this weekend was great - and a lot of other records I have as well for that matter. You were the one, right on cue again, that dismissed my opinion (which you are entitled to of course, since it is only my opinion).
I too have a large collection of digital stuff but I'd hardly say that it's all together superior to vinyl from a listening experience POV.
That the ear is easily fooled by a technology that is patently inferior to digital by any measure you care to name is exactly the point. You can't claim one is better than the other from a listening POV if you ear-brain system is so easily fooled.
You may get 16 Hz on your h/phones, but I somehow doubt it. Ditto your listening space. And how much music information is there below say 30 Hz on the average recording - digital or vinyl?
Not if it brings him self amusement. Yes, some people enjoy trolling online at the expense of forum bandwidth.You have posted over 1200 times in 18 months, perhaps you should try to to find something better to do in what time you have left.
It just seems so wasteful.
Let me check that I have this right: Max's files which are almost the same but different can only be reliably distinguished using a system which is flawed in some way such as a mobile phone or Bluetooth speaker i.e. the Max effect is something unnatural which confuses lossy compression algorithms? Listen to them on a good system and all differences fade away?
(If CCC at 8Hz important on pipe organ music, then I suggest you move into a listening space that can accommodate those wavelengths)
I am in the dark where CCC stands for.
But other than that: there is no problem playing bass in rooms with a largest dimension lower than 1/2 Lambda.
To the contrary, in such a room, no standing waves can form below that frequency, so there will be no peaking. There only will be a compression effect or room gain, which can easily be EQ'd out.
You have posted over 1200 times in 18 months, perhaps you should try to to find something better to do in what time you have left.
It just seems so wasteful.
None of your business, I would say, what someone chooses to do with his time. Many of his post are interesting, never read anything worth remembering from you. So if you were to post that frequently, I would wholeheartedly agree. Although it would still not be anybodies business to say so.
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I am in the dark where CCC stands for.
CCCC is closer to ~8Hz, CCC ~16Hz, it's musical notation.
Good luck to anyone that can get anything musically useful in the average living room below 20 Hz.
CCCC is closer to ~8Hz, CCC ~16Hz, it's musical notation.
CCCC is quoted as a lowest note a pipe organ can do (8 Hz), but some sources say 4 Hz :0
Even at 8 Hz, I guess you could say its like being 'moved by the spirit' but personally I'd not be too inclined to worry about it whatever type of technology I was using.
The main thing is, vinyl does do great sounding bass!
More L8r 😉
T, we have never met, so we do not know each other very well. I would agree that the Bybee stuff is pretty far out. I use his products, and so do several of my engineering and other professional colleagues. I don't expect that ANYONE here will seriously purchase and use a Bybee device. So, don't agonize about it. I just want to be FREE to speak about what I normally include in my audio conversations with others, without censorship here.
For the record, Jack Bybee is real. He has a real background in physics, including working on a number of classified 'cold war' projects when he was younger. He even was attached to Richard Feynman for a time, years ago, to update Feynman on Superconductivity. Now those are interesting stories, but not believed by most here as being even possible, so let's avoid them for the moment. I have personally known, and personally 'tested' Jack Bybee on numerous occasions over the last 25 years. Yes, I tested his honesty a number of times, yet he always came though. For example, he claims to have attended UCB in Berkeley, back in the '50's. Having him visit me in Berkeley, we found out that we had lived in the same building, him 10 years or so earlier. When he lived there, it was a fraternity, when I did it was more a boarding house for men, yet it seemed appropriate because the building was designed for a number of people, not a family.
Once, on line, when some cocky guy, a technician from some major firm (sound familiar) decided that he knew the secret of the original Bybee purifier, and said it was composed of Mischmetal (sp) that contained Cerium, and therefore was dangerous, especially if exposed to water. So, decades ago, I personally destroyed a Bybee device by opening it and deliberately exposing it to water, outside, with a fire extinguisher handy. Guess what, NOTHING HAPPENED. There was no Cerium in the product, and the guy who said it was, was deleted from the thread. Jack had already told me that it was safe to try this, but I had to try! Trust, but verify! Over the 25 years that I have traveled with, had dinner with, etc Jack Bybee, I have never found him making a phony product. He puts time and effort into each, and actually makes little or no profit, overall. His wife wants him to stop, because they are reasonably wealthy from past companies that he started and sold at a profit, but this gives him a 'purpose' in his last years. That is all there is to it.
For the record, Jack Bybee is real. He has a real background in physics, including working on a number of classified 'cold war' projects when he was younger. He even was attached to Richard Feynman for a time, years ago, to update Feynman on Superconductivity. Now those are interesting stories, but not believed by most here as being even possible, so let's avoid them for the moment. I have personally known, and personally 'tested' Jack Bybee on numerous occasions over the last 25 years. Yes, I tested his honesty a number of times, yet he always came though. For example, he claims to have attended UCB in Berkeley, back in the '50's. Having him visit me in Berkeley, we found out that we had lived in the same building, him 10 years or so earlier. When he lived there, it was a fraternity, when I did it was more a boarding house for men, yet it seemed appropriate because the building was designed for a number of people, not a family.
Once, on line, when some cocky guy, a technician from some major firm (sound familiar) decided that he knew the secret of the original Bybee purifier, and said it was composed of Mischmetal (sp) that contained Cerium, and therefore was dangerous, especially if exposed to water. So, decades ago, I personally destroyed a Bybee device by opening it and deliberately exposing it to water, outside, with a fire extinguisher handy. Guess what, NOTHING HAPPENED. There was no Cerium in the product, and the guy who said it was, was deleted from the thread. Jack had already told me that it was safe to try this, but I had to try! Trust, but verify! Over the 25 years that I have traveled with, had dinner with, etc Jack Bybee, I have never found him making a phony product. He puts time and effort into each, and actually makes little or no profit, overall. His wife wants him to stop, because they are reasonably wealthy from past companies that he started and sold at a profit, but this gives him a 'purpose' in his last years. That is all there is to it.
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Have you ever seen posts like "don't feed a troll"? I have. It's mostly by those who would like to see the forum environment improved. Some readers find trolling post interesting but it's still not a good thing to have on forums.None of your business, I would say, what someone chooses to do with his time. Many of his post are interesting, never read anything worth remembering from you. So if you were to post that frequently, I would wholeheartedly agree. Although it would still not be anybodies business to say so.
Let me check that I have this right: Max's files which are almost the same but different can only be reliably distinguished using a system which is flawed in some way such as a mobile phone or Bluetooth speaker i.e. the Max effect is something unnatural which confuses lossy compression algorithms? Listen to them on a good system and all differences fade away?
Not only that, if you can't hear a difference you should go outside to a natural environment to hear it best, regardless of the ambient noise level outdoors.
I should have known better than to ask.
You did right to ask. Too bad Max was still mad at you for some of your earlier comments or he might have answered more civilly. He will get over being mad though, if you give it a bit of time before going on the attack again. No good trying to change his opinion by attack anyway, and readers not involved in the exchange can see you are the grouchiest guy in the thread. Sometimes that grouchy thing comes with being an old man.
That JB device looks like a huge cylindrical ferrite bead on a piece of wire ...so obviously it can purify the audio range from high frequency noise...it's just than nobody used them before on speaker's wires...these Chinese...stole JB magic and used it to purify ordinary usb cables...
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