You got exactly the answer I knew you would get, we have been here before nothing ever came of it in any case. Then Johnny reached into his back pocket and gave Randi a spoon and said, "Try this one".
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Scott, send me your LCRMKIII. You pay shipping both ways, the parts and labor are on me.
You guys think I'm some loon. Typical EE's
Scott, send me your LCRMKIII. You pay shipping both ways, the parts and labor are on me.
You guys think I'm some loon. Typical EE's
That does not address the issue. I appreciate the offer but better to let it rest. BTW EE's deserve a good show just like anyone else, all these years and not one of these claims was ever demonstrated in front of a mixed audience, why? It's not like this has not come up before.
IME, claims such as Robert's sometimes come from people who are pretty skilled listeners, but who's self evaluation is perhaps a bit exaggerated. They probably err more often they may even know, since they don't always blind test themselves to verify. They are likely to get nervous too if put on the spot because of stage fright and because self doubt regarding some claims may start to set in.
However, the fix might only consist of more practice in front of bigger audiences, more blind test practice, and a little more modest claims about what abilities are really ready for skeptical public scrutiny.
Doesn't mean the whole thing is made up or imaginary though.
Issue? what other issue other than good sound form a preamp should this thread really be concerned?
Mixed audience? If the Stevehoffman members are not mixed enough then I don't know what to do for you.
I did give EE's and the likes a good show lest you forget. http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/the-...owtorch-preamplifier-iii-248.html#post5405830
I am making a direct offer to you with limited impact to your pocketbook and you want to let it rest. That means to me that you want to remain in a world with non-negotiable borders set by yourself.
I tried.
Think about it if you want to take me up on my offer anytime, just let me know.
BTW a guy with a 4k hearing bandwith could hear those mods. I can even post his email to me if you want me to.
Boy, with a 4K hearing bandwith thrown into the mixed audience? How much more mixed do you need?
I'm not nervous about demonstrating any of this. Problem is most of these AB tests done in public demos are with digital sources or amplification systems that are not revealing enough.
I run really lean when I'm listening for things like 0.01 uf caps in the early parts of the power supply.
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Again, the reviews at Stevehoffma.tv. Not enough of a bell curve of listeners to give me the benefit of the doubt. Then sorry.
Hi Robert,
I make improvements to equipment. This difference is, my mods can be measured as well as heard.
-Chris
I make improvements to equipment. This difference is, my mods can be measured as well as heard.
-Chris
Reload to see what I was posting Robert. I'm use to a mail client which does something useful with the tab key.
Hi Robert,
It is a limit that I impose as it is immoral to spend a customer's money on changes that cannot be shown via testing. That is a slippery slope and a measurement is my anchor which saves both me and my customer.
Whenever you do work on someone's equipment, you are spending his or her money. You have your hand directly into their wallet and it would be nice to have some checks and balances. Something to keep you honest. I've also invested in equipment that points me in the right direction, and can prove to a client what changes have taken place.
Doing work without any way to prove to yourself your changes work as advertised is irresponsible in my view. So yes, self imposed limits are there to protect my reputation and the good customers that use my services. Moving a ground will make far more of a difference than sticking on a power cord for example. Science vs ?art?
-Chris
It is a limit that I impose as it is immoral to spend a customer's money on changes that cannot be shown via testing. That is a slippery slope and a measurement is my anchor which saves both me and my customer.
Whenever you do work on someone's equipment, you are spending his or her money. You have your hand directly into their wallet and it would be nice to have some checks and balances. Something to keep you honest. I've also invested in equipment that points me in the right direction, and can prove to a client what changes have taken place.
Doing work without any way to prove to yourself your changes work as advertised is irresponsible in my view. So yes, self imposed limits are there to protect my reputation and the good customers that use my services. Moving a ground will make far more of a difference than sticking on a power cord for example. Science vs ?art?
-Chris
Chris,
Someone truly passing a blind test could qualify as 'shown via testing.' Also, if someone can hear something blind, no doubt we can figure out some way to measure it. We just need to have a clear idea of what we are looking to measure exactly. A verbal description of the sound from someone who can pass a blind test would probably be enough of a clue.
Robert,
I have a highly revealing system in terms of dac/preamp and power amp, probably speakers too at low-ish volume levels. So, providing a revealing system should be doable amongst the group here. Problem is I am up a bit north of Sacramento.
Someone truly passing a blind test could qualify as 'shown via testing.' Also, if someone can hear something blind, no doubt we can figure out some way to measure it. We just need to have a clear idea of what we are looking to measure exactly. A verbal description of the sound from someone who can pass a blind test would probably be enough of a clue.
Robert,
I have a highly revealing system in terms of dac/preamp and power amp, probably speakers too at low-ish volume levels. So, providing a revealing system should be doable amongst the group here. Problem is I am up a bit north of Sacramento.
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Mixed right, the usual random mix of sighted listening tests with "the guys". I've been there, they can really be a joke even when they are writing copy for major magazines. Deep bass modulates the room lighting, I guess power cables matter, duh? If you have not witnessed this kind of nonsense you have not gotten around enough.
Hi Mark,
If the noise floor is above the residual noise floor of the testing equipment and you can't see anything there - there isn't anything there beyond random noise. Now, noise can modify the impressions of a listener. That would not be a useful modification unless the improvement is to lower the noise floor.
I never judge my own work. It's too dangerous. I am typically too hard on myself, which I like to help keep me honest and avoid wasted hours chasing an "improvement" that doesn't exist. I never tell listeners what, or even if I have done anything to a piece of equipment.
-Chris
If the noise floor is above the residual noise floor of the testing equipment and you can't see anything there - there isn't anything there beyond random noise. Now, noise can modify the impressions of a listener. That would not be a useful modification unless the improvement is to lower the noise floor.
I never judge my own work. It's too dangerous. I am typically too hard on myself, which I like to help keep me honest and avoid wasted hours chasing an "improvement" that doesn't exist. I never tell listeners what, or even if I have done anything to a piece of equipment.
-Chris
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