So, it is your Nirvana in audio ? Class D and 0.0003%?
I understand better why you hate those who listen.
KIA Soul here and I just don't care, no driving is fun to me YMMV (so to speak). BTW I've owned BMW, Saab (2), Mercedes, Audi, Volvo, Toyota, Mini and don't miss any of them. Also a pile of American cars Gremlin, Citation, Suburban, Mercury Grand Marquis, and some Ford I forgot which. I drove the Mercury up to ME from Boston with only second gear, when reverse went we sent it to the Am Vets donation center.
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The problem is, you are attempting to sell a Toyota as a BMW, based on a) some BS story about how good the Toyota engine sounds and b) relying on the fact that nobody will care to objectively quantify and verify your story.
Otherwise said, for the last 40 years the High End Audio business took customers like a bunch of morons ready to swipe the plastic for any crapola story they are told. Some are still trying that today, but those dog days are pretty much over.
Dear T-E, I don’t hate anybody, I just feel contempt for those attempting to substitute real knowledge with a pair of ears.
Have you ever listened to a Purifi to talk about? Or you know even before listening it cannot sound good ‘cause it’s a Class D?
I prefer to be a passenger, relax and get into the scenery without the distraction of actively driving, not a bad analogy, I don't get frustrated wishing I was in control. 🙂
All I am saying, if a KIA works for you fine.....if you don't miss the performance acceleration etc. fine, it works for you. If has nothing to do with the discussion we are having. I would recommend you buy a jam box (no pun intended) for your listening pleasure......still i won't hold that again you.
I am saying there is a price to be paid for performance whether you appreciate it or not, but performance does not always mean a high cost of entry.
The question to be asked is what makes a good audio product, and it is not as simplistic as a set of performance numbers.
To me, audio has to be a physical and emotional experience,but if your criteria is different............who am I to criticize.
Jam
I am saying there is a price to be paid for performance whether you appreciate it or not, but performance does not always mean a high cost of entry.
The question to be asked is what makes a good audio product, and it is not as simplistic as a set of performance numbers.
To me, audio has to be a physical and emotional experience,but if your criteria is different............who am I to criticize.
Jam
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Scott,
I like your analogy.........I once had the pleasure of taking a ride in a chauffeur driven Rolls, I highly recommend it.🙂
Jam
I like your analogy.........I once had the pleasure of taking a ride in a chauffeur driven Rolls, I highly recommend it.🙂
Jam
The alternative you recommend is...?
To you? OK. Who am I to criticize your freedom to hold certain view. It's not like you claimed that KIA Rio can accelerate better than BMW M3 just by upgrading the tires to something your associate sells...
The alternative you recommend is...?
I don't have a good alternative to recommend. I just think comparing high-end audio to the automotive industry is an insult to the automotive industry.
One is almost entirely data-driven, the other is the exact opposite. Everything about a car and how it drives can and is instrumented and measured. Besides, the difference between even two cars as closely related as a BMW 340i and an M3 is immediately obvious and quantifiable. There's no need to engage in handwaving or talk about how you need to be trained to feel the difference in driving dynamics.
Might be closer if you're talking about comparing a Rolls to a Bentley, where it is far less about performance than image, ego, and dashboard stroking.
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No. but every two or three years I try to improve something. (I have three amps for the three ways of my big system: 1 Class D for the sub, 1 VFA for the low midrange, a CFA for the high mid-high horn.
In fact, I use it less and less, it tires me, I find myself like in the studio, at work, listening to every detail, see what I mean ?
As I listen quite loud, it's like at a concert, one or two records and not more than once a week.
I'm not an audiophile.
Chris,
Your measurements are only part of the answer the rest you will difficulty expressing in words, even though it exists ........je ne sais quo ...enough said..🙂
Jam
Your measurements are only part of the answer the rest you will difficulty expressing in words, even though it exists ........je ne sais quo ...enough said..🙂
Jam
The analogies of cars and food for that matter fall apart, the fact that I have no interest in driving has absolutely nothing to what I choose to listen to. In fact saying if I choose a KIA over a BMW maybe I should just get a boom box would be offensive, but I know you never intended that.
No. But I have an Hypex UCD700 at home that I use in my sub. And listened to some good class D in different places.
They all have (more or less) a common special character to my ears. Very clean, sterile, kinda plastic. They make-me remember the first CDs players.
I will not use any of them for a full range enclosure.
Is the Purifi so different ?
Please, stop to think I'm a stupid snobbish audiophile. I'm not impressed by the B.S. Poetic or pseudo technic. Even the one of Purifi.
I suppose Class D will be perfect when they will switch 10 time faster.
And you ?
The decision to buy very expensive amplifier is not about the sound quality only. I knew some person admitted a cheap amplifier have better sound quality than expensive one at comparing session. But they did not want to buy the cheap one because the box/case was look bad.
I think the decision are about look, brand, and quality for most people.
But this is diyaudio, we want to build everything by our self. No matter it is good or not, better than the manufacturing product or not, we still enjoy it.
I think the decision are about look, brand, and quality for most people.
But this is diyaudio, we want to build everything by our self. No matter it is good or not, better than the manufacturing product or not, we still enjoy it.
Perhaps surprising to most, but current discussion of firearms falls into very analogous camps. Then usually adds a layer of paranoiac politics in the USA and another layer of racism everywhere. Be grateful to the Founding Fathers (and Mothers) of DIYaudio.com for their foresight.
Much thanks to all,
Chris
Much thanks to all,
Chris
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