Nope, not new at all......over 40 yrs sperience!
🙄you keep going on about level matching.....What would be your protocol for proper ‘level matching’?
I'm pissed-off of this aggressivity and this lack of tolerance. Tried to calm down the ambiance, get that kind of STUPID reaction. I join the long list of those who, before me, reacted the same way, harassed by the same few people: Goodbye.
All except those who don't.Oh, BTW, Evenharmonics, could-you stop with your "Matched level" obsession ?We all practice-it as a basic requisite (since more 50 years for me) !
None what so ever..... we heard the same quality and affects regardless of level.IOW, there was no procedures taken to match levels within 0.1 db between components under test. As for for visual bias control... Oh, never mind. 🙄
Yours too? The list keeps growing.No no no, you nasty word twister,
Yes, you made comments about me and then said sorry I didn't mean they were facts, after I pointed out you were wrong.
Sorry, again. I wasn't thinking about you when I wrote that. I was trying to make a point about the technical nature of posts in this thread, of which there are a limited number. Despite your particular background, you seem to enjoy non-technical banter and often write posts that appear to be intended as clever more than anything else. With that thought in mind and since you are a frequent poster that is spared attack from the rude comments of some, I tried to make a point to one of those people using a name he would recognize as a frequent non-technical content poster (even if you can talk technical rather than clever banter when you want).
What I failed to do when focused on an entirely different task was to take in to account how you might feel about being singled out in a way that was perhaps more rhetorical than accurate. I see that you still begrudge that error on my part, so again I apologize. That's about the extent of what I can do. If it is not satisfactory, then I don't know what else to say.
Still a shame you didn't try and record the clear differences between DAC3s.... It might have worked...
Probably not. The problem you seem to have is that you weren't there to hear the obvious for yourself, and you do not trust us not to be fooled. It comes down to trust or the lack thereof.
I would not trust anyone's opinion under these test conditions, mine included. It is not personal.
It does seem a bit odd that you don't know or haven't looked around to find some skilled listeners in or around your locale. If you don't believe such can exist, then of course you wouldn't look. But, such people do exist even if outside of your experience, and we happen to be pretty good at it.
Man, I am a black belt myself.
You may have read in this thread where Nelson Pass said that Jam, "still has one of the best pairs of ears in the business." The very popular and good sounding Pass Labs HPA-1 was designed by Jam. Many listening tests were done to fine tune the exact sound. You may believe that is possible or not, but it happens to be quite possible, IME.
Yes, this is entirely possible. I know Nelson Pass for amplifiers that have higher distortion figures than strictly necessary from a technical point of view and from his statement that he is in the entertainment business. His design goal is different from attaining technical perfection. Allowing for imperfections also allows for voicing to take place, so I believe this might happen in his labs. In general, I find Mr. Pass a very credible person from everything I read from or about him. There is no reason to drop his name in this context.
Also, since Jam is a friend and we sometimes listen together, we have found we hear just about the same way. We have come to trust each other's listening reports because experience has shown that if one of finds a problem there is indeed a problem.
What kind of problem are we talking about?
However, I get that since you don't have a skilled listener at your disposal, maybe because you don't want to have one, you cannot replicate anything that we tell you, there in your own lab. Since you are not the trusting type, your own replication is all that is meaningful to you. So it seems anyway. However, perhaps there is more to it than the way it looks from here.
What a silly words, please read them again. But I see a pattern. Without having any knowledge about me and who I am, you draw all kinds conclusions and present them with aplomb. It is the same with the report you gave on these listening soirees.
We had long discussions here about CFA* VS VFA, on the technical point of view. No need to add another layer.I don't understand 'current on demand'....for what ? and what is the objective difference ?.
You said You state 'major difference' of what ?....objective or subjective difference.
This is not challenge I wish to learn what you mean, your take/description of subjective qualities is fine with me, with objective qualities even better.
https://www.renesas.com/eu/en/doc/application-note/an1993.pdf
by example is short and tells near everything.
Make your own opinion about the listening character's differences (if any): it is worth a try.
*Or CFB, name-it...
Still a shame you didn't try and record the clear differences between DAC3s.... It might have worked...
Could be, but hooking up a recorder would have taken another bag wires and hardware boxes. (The laptop does not have a recording input, and my good ADCs are SPDIF out only, so I then need SPDIF to USB box, which has to Focusrite 6i6.) I guess I could have tried holding my cell phone in front of the speaker, but that might not have been quite sufficient.
I think if that's what you wanted, you should have asked Richard and me at the outset if we could do it. If there were sufficient interest from the group for that expressed in advance, the request probably could have been fulfilled.
What a silly words, please read them again.
I did. The last two sentences were disclaimers.
The guy, whose only knowledge in mechanics boils down to a you-tube video entitled ":All except those who don't.
Ten tips for not to be scammed by second-hand cars sellers.", and who comes to mingle in a conversation between engine engineers at the North American International Auto Show and wants to teach them lessons.
Tex Avery would have liked this character.
Or not: All was said by Miguel de Cervantes.
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All the time and energy you spend doing whatever it is you do .....maybe some energy might actually go into helping someone learn something.
Just because I have 40+ years ‘sperience’ in audio (which I believe I qualified with ‘at hobbyist level’ ?) doesn’t mean I’ve ever had the need or the inclination for level matching (I’d heard the term but thought it applied to broadcasting)
Now that I understand different and ask you for your protocol to help understand why/what it is exactly you keep pointing out I’m met with some old quote and rolled eyes?
I could get it if that quote had read ‘I know everything there is to know and don’t need you asshats’ or something like that, but that was not the context it came from.
I researched it and cannot figure out how it would be implemented in a simple source/pre/amp/speaker setup or how/if it’s even beneficial.
I set all my levels by ear for the most part and never noticed a lack in the leveling dept.......please just fill me in if this is even relevant to me?
The guy, whose only knowledge in mechanics boils down to a you-tube video entitled "
Ten tips for not to be scammed by second-hand cars sellers.", and who comes to mingle in a conversation between engine engineers at the North American International Auto Show and wants to teach them lessons.
Tex Avery would have liked this character.
After a short pause, you seem to be back for another mud slinging feast. Likely it will end up the same way as for your previous sock puppet characters on DIYAudio.
Meanwhile back at the farm....
In the spirit of DIY........please let some form of civility return.
Cool avatar syn08.
In the spirit of DIY........please let some form of civility return.
Cool avatar syn08.
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No no no, you nasty word twister, that is not what I said......
Nah...me (maybe sometimes nasty) thinks "how could I have known that it wasn't what you've said".....
My strong bias is towards the scientific method.
That's what I previously assumed, therefore my bewilderment about your posts containing a lot of opinions stated as facts....
Things you can't know "withouth a perfectly working crystall ball " and I seriously could have never imagined that this elephant like hint could be read over.
Misunderstandings in forum discussions are a lot easier than......
It is the only way to keep us out of the woods. My belief is that if you follow the laws of nature, stuff will behave predictably.<snip>
No debate there - assuming that we're still talking about the audio stuff, but is there a law of nature stating that Markw4 and RNMarsh couldn't have been totally correct in their description of the sound differences?
What may not be as easy to see in the pic, each of the major chips and each of the clocks has an approximately 1/8" thick piece of EMI absorbent material attached to the top of it, which was apparently applied before the conformal EMI coating.
I'm glad I was off grid and missed this. One question is EMI "absorbent" a guess, fact, made up, or just foil hat stuff.
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I'm glad I was off grid and missed this. One question is EMI "absorbent" a guess, fact, made up, or just foil hat stuff.
Now that you mention it, I left out the word 'claimed.' The gentleman who modified it makes claims about the materials, and claims that they are RFI/EMI countermeasures that were taught to him by a professional RFI/EMI engineer. For all we know, all the materials used could be entirely fake. All we know personally is how the modified dac looked, how the materials felt to touch with fingers and fingernails, and how it sounded to us as compared to my DAC-3.
Not to mention the idea of shielding the top of ICs is as dumb as a potty. Only potty untrained babies could possible buy into it.
It’s on the tape used in the modded pic.Seems that I've missed it, who mentioned 367-17 in regard to the modification of DAC3 ?
https://upgradecompany.com/images/stories/photogallery/BOARD004.jpg
Looks like it might be squares of Luon board under the paint? Am I safe in assuming this is the SE package w/ rmi efi riddance technology? $900 ?
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