I have nothing against anyone being a vegetarian or vegan as long as they aren't holier than thou or damned belligerent about it. Some people smoke their entire lives and never get cancer, others have cholesterol numbers through the roof and don't live on BLT's every day. We are all genetically different and it is hard to compare one person to another. Of course some diets have been found to have lower instances of particular disease clusters such as the Mediterranean diet and there is probably something to those local diets that have developed over eons. I watched my grandparents and grand uncles and aunts eat anything they wanted and live into their late 90's, but they surely ate much less total quantities of foods than people eat today. Moderation seems to be key and staying fit both weight wise and getting exercise seems to be something to keep in mind. Oh, and stay away from those women that sit in the windows beckoning you to spend your money, wives excepted!
At age 8, my dad handed me a Dutch currency bill in the A'dam city center and sent me out to buy him cigarettes.
As I passed a window, the lady behind it knocked on the glass and gave me the finger invite.
To my dying day I will regret having spent the money on cigarettes.
I should have told my old man I got mugged instead, he would have bought it.
Ooooooooh boy, you're getting called on that one RNMarsh. I'm calling shenanigans upon shenanigans.
Bring data. Bring *conclusive* data. I have access to any paper you might want...
Bring data. Bring *conclusive* data. I have access to any paper you might want...
That's possible, but not necessarily true. It's dependent on the protein that was transferred into the GMO product. And then what's really scary is if the GMO becomes the normal variation due to essentially the wind and Monsanto suing all competitors into oblivion.
Ex. If you have an immune response to peanuts (not necessarily known to you) and that protein was added to a Tomato, eating those tomatoes would raise your white blood cells... and cause potential harm.
AND they lived before the time of mostly mechanized, high intensive/volume, farming. Try affording an only pasture raised animal products diet today.😱
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No I don't. All of medicine known to man says thus. The exception is if the new food binds the protein in such a way it can no longer bind, or be bound too, so it cannot be seen by the immune system.
If anything you need to study some biology. Take a look at pudmed. Do anything besides wait to be spoonfed.
Let me give you a more simple example. If the wheat gluten protein was added to apples, and was no bound in a non-digestable form, then apples would cause massive damage to celiacs. I hope that's simple enough for you.
The leading lectin scientist was chased out of the United States by Monsanto, because he warned about this dangerous potential. (lectin = binding protein, which are all the ones that humans have potential complications with)
Okay, so my education and actual understanding of biochem is utterly useless. I'll let my Ph.D committee know that my institution has utterly failed because some guy on the internets told me to look on pubmed because he doesn't understand what's been done GMO wise.
So, you have all those links here for me? I'd love to see them. Same rules apply: I can get any paper. Or you're going to have to redact. 😀
Hint: there are no consistent, reliable studies that show negative heath effects with GMO products. As of now, you have this guy as your backup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Séralini_affair
So, you have all those links here for me? I'd love to see them. Same rules apply: I can get any paper. Or you're going to have to redact. 😀
Hint: there are no consistent, reliable studies that show negative heath effects with GMO products. As of now, you have this guy as your backup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Séralini_affair
morinix,
Do you really believe that there wasn't high intensity farming for many decades, probably not much later than the early 20th century really. What do you think caused the great dust bowl, way to much intense farming with little idea of what the consequences were.
Do you really believe that there wasn't high intensity farming for many decades, probably not much later than the early 20th century really. What do you think caused the great dust bowl, way to much intense farming with little idea of what the consequences were.
At no point did I say GMO's are causing harm; or that I have an opposition to them. I'm explaining the potential. And in some individuals they may be already stimulating a response (this doesn't mean it's overt), but that's very select just like an allergy. This is an abundantly clear subject. And if anyone cares about it they can look into it.
Because you have an education and you'd challenge the exercise in what would happen if a celiac consumed an apple full of wheat gluten, from becoming a GMO product, I can only believe you're here to troll or absolutely fraudulent. I won't reply to anything more because you're either trolling, dishonestly engaging, or you only would believe it were raining on your head if a double blind study proved it; I care not which.
Because you have an education and you'd challenge the exercise in what would happen if a celiac consumed an apple full of wheat gluten, from becoming a GMO product, I can only believe you're here to troll or absolutely fraudulent. I won't reply to anything more because you're either trolling, dishonestly engaging, or you only would believe it were raining on your head if a double blind study proved it; I care not which.
Dan,
I'm with you, who makes this stuff up I don't know. Obviously things are possible but doesn't mean that these things are happening. Most of the GMO development has been for resistance to herbicides like Roundup, not a big fan of that but that isn't the same thing as what people think is being manipulated. I think we would be in a world of trouble if farmers didn't try to improve crop outputs. So I guess we should all just grow our own food, like that would work. The mistake is mono-cultures in my eyes, a single disease can wipe out an entire crop. Save the bees I say, that is a bigger threat than GMO's as far as I'm concerned.
I'm with you, who makes this stuff up I don't know. Obviously things are possible but doesn't mean that these things are happening. Most of the GMO development has been for resistance to herbicides like Roundup, not a big fan of that but that isn't the same thing as what people think is being manipulated. I think we would be in a world of trouble if farmers didn't try to improve crop outputs. So I guess we should all just grow our own food, like that would work. The mistake is mono-cultures in my eyes, a single disease can wipe out an entire crop. Save the bees I say, that is a bigger threat than GMO's as far as I'm concerned.
Okay, so you're FUD'ing. Fine. Call it as you will. I'm neither here to troll nor fraudulent. Nor am I trying to scaremonger.
Hint! When will *anyone* make an apple (or whatever ridiculous analogy you wish) that produces a gluten molecule? It's reductio ad absurdum.
Hint! When will *anyone* make an apple (or whatever ridiculous analogy you wish) that produces a gluten molecule? It's reductio ad absurdum.
Define "not much". The hormone injections started about 1950. High-fructose corn syrup in the early 70's. That means my grandparents were middle aged before the high production/ Bio-engineered farming stuff started. As for me, I never took a breath in a world void of bio-engineering food production.
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High Fructose or plain old cane sugar or even beet sugar makes no real difference, just the fact that they put that in everything and we are being polluted with added glucose. Look at what the average sugar intake is these days, I agree it is a real problem, it is hard to eat without getting way to much sugar and salt, that is a real problem and I am just starting to see some movement to reduce both of those things. But someone who is a vegetarian and eats mass quantities of fruits can be in the same boat, or someone who drinks large amounts of fruit juices. Now add in all the carbs which turn to glucose and you have a big problem. There is no mystery here, but you do need to have some knowledge and use some common sense to avoid the overloads. I personally use to drink to much soda, I stopped drinking the stuff except for very occasionally, now it is plain water for me. I may not be a vegetarian but I eat lots of them, my kids think I eat to many!
High fructose, GMO, Monsanto, healthy old folks who ate sh1t, vegetarinasim etc - we're headed in a good direction here, opening new areas for investigation and discussion.
Is there evidence that GMO may cause tinnitus?
Just asking.
Is there evidence that GMO may cause tinnitus?
Just asking.
Too much listening causes tinnitus 😉
On the GMO: we should realise that trial-and-error genetic modification has been going on for 1000's of years. It's called selective breeding.
It just that recently we've got better and more effective at it.
I believe a lot of the scare has to do with the fact that many don't understand it in the current scientific setting. Everybody can understand selective breeding; the GMO process in a lab less so.
Jan
On the GMO: we should realise that trial-and-error genetic modification has been going on for 1000's of years. It's called selective breeding.
It just that recently we've got better and more effective at it.
I believe a lot of the scare has to do with the fact that many don't understand it in the current scientific setting. Everybody can understand selective breeding; the GMO process in a lab less so.
Jan
Which, comically, seems to be the same population that can hear all kinds of magical things about changing xyz part out that *might* have an effect < -80 dB down.
All I know is broccoli brings out the bass.
All I know is broccoli brings out the bass.
Jan, I do believe that all commercial citrus tree are hybrids with one root stock and a graft. Selective breeding has been used forever. Now the food scientist can just do things much more quickly with genetic splicing, Now putting an animal gene into a plant sound pretty strange but who knows. Some are working on completely synthetic foods but I'm not ready for that in the least.
ps. I have read that one cause of tinnitus is aspirin, but how much usage would cause that who knows. There doesn't seem to be a working hypothesis of how tinnitus is working.
ps. I have read that one cause of tinnitus is aspirin, but how much usage would cause that who knows. There doesn't seem to be a working hypothesis of how tinnitus is working.
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Well nature has been splicing and splitting and combining genes for ages - look at the extremely richly varied flora and fauna that started with an insignificant eukaryote.
So mixing and matching genes is exactly how mother nature does it. That doesn't mean that we should not be very careful with what we're doing; after all, we understand only a fraction of it. But the principle as such is pretty natural I would say.
Jan
So mixing and matching genes is exactly how mother nature does it. That doesn't mean that we should not be very careful with what we're doing; after all, we understand only a fraction of it. But the principle as such is pretty natural I would say.
Jan
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