John Curl's Blowtorch preamplifier part II

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When you're needlessly hogging the thing out of a solid block of aluminum, sure...

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Well, better than copper, although the latter is a better magnetic shield without the deleterious effects of ferromagnetic activity.

Only half-kidding. On the side, I used to design equipment for locating buried pipes. The cast iron was difficult for the remote transmitter to penetrate, the copper even worse most of the time.
 
Well, better than copper, although the latter is a better magnetic shield without the deleterious effects of ferromagnetic activity.

Wait, what? Copper is a better magnetic shield than what? You mean steel? Because as far as I'm aware, aluminum is not ferromagnetic. And if you think copper is a better magnetic shield than steel, then what is copper's permeability relative to steel? I believe copper's permeability is not much greater than that of air. So I fail to see how it can possibly be a better magnetic shield than steel. A better electrostatic shield than steel, sure, but not a better magnetic shield.

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A breakdown on the DR. Dre headphones showed them to cost less than $20 to make, and that steel was added just to make them heavier. This is not hi end audio, and IS just marketing. I wish many here could separate this example from the designs that are truly striving for audio quality.

Interesting but not true. While the margins on the Beats products are large by any standards they were significantly more expensive than $20 to make. (I know.) And I know of no unnecessary steel in the product. Adding weight to a headphone really is a bad idea. They are all too heavy already.

The sound characteristic was Jimmy, Dr. Dre and Noel Lee. No one else had much input (grumble grumble). Keep in mind that had they never been marketed none of us would ever give headphones a second thought. Now we all have a punching bag for how not to make a headphone sound.
 
Current technique is not to use a headphone for testing. Instead a transducer drives a small tube. So even though the wave is created by a piston with a small tube it can present as a point source. This is then spot frequency calibrated. A very small tube has a resonance well above the frequencies of interest.

One can however demonstrate limits with a small light weight transducer typical of ones that are used in some earphones.

I'm not sure I understand what you are describing. A Plane wave tube for measuring the transducers is a good solution. I'm not sure how using one for free field would work? You still have a lot of issues around the relationship between the transducer and the ear, which angle and how far. the Pinna becomes a key modifier and I believe Pinna are almost as unique as fingerprints.
 
The question becomes how do you design a great set of headphones if it is so difficult to actually measure the response accurately? Do you go strictly by subjective testing with well trained listeners or is there some other realistic method to measure a headphone that gives good correlation to subjective listening? I've listened to the Beats headphones and it didn't take more than a few seconds to realize how badly they were weighted to bass with poor mid and high frequency response, with very little top end response. I think a cheap pair of Sony headphones sound much better than the Beats at 1/4 the cost. How do we then say some high end headphones are so good except for subjective opinions, where does the science come into the design when there are so many problems with testing even on an artificial head-form?

Most headphone and headphone driver vendors ask for a response curve. They do not have any idea what make a headphone good and waffle like a politician when asked for their best sounding sample.

There is no ideal curve for a headphone, except for I think 3 or 4 really different curves. Once you remove the head and outer ear you are in difficult territory for finding "ideal". Most headphones are someones judgement on how they should sound. Same for high end speakers so its all the same. . .
 
Wait, what? Copper is a better magnetic shield than what? You mean steel? Because as far as I'm aware, aluminum is not ferromagnetic. And if you think copper is a better magnetic shield than steel, then what is copper's permeability relative to steel? I believe copper's permeability is not much greater than that of air. So I fail to see how it can possibly be a better magnetic shield than steel. A better electrostatic shield than steel, sure, but not a better magnetic shield.

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It's the conductivity that is better, not the permeability. Consider superconductors for instance. They are ideal shields for E and B fields, (if, for B fields, of a suitable topology) except (at this date) a bit inconvenient due to the required cryogenic operating temperatures.
 
Most headphone and headphone driver vendors ask for a response curve. They do not have any idea what make a headphone good and waffle like a politician when asked for their best sounding sample.

There is no ideal curve for a headphone, except for I think 3 or 4 really different curves. Once you remove the head and outer ear you are in difficult territory for finding "ideal". Most headphones are someones judgement on how they should sound. Same for high end speakers so its all the same. . .
Olive and coworkers have done some recent work on response curves that should be reviewed by anyone interested in the subject.
 
Everyone: just check out [ dr dre headphone breakdown] on Google and look at the article from the Huffington Post. That should be enlightening! Then Demian, we can discuss where I went wrong. '-)
 

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It's the conductivity that is better, not the permeability.

It's precisely its better conductivity that makes it the better electrostatic shield. For magnetic shielding, you want high permeability not conductivity.

Consider superconductors for instance. They are ideal shields for E and B fields, (if, for B fields, of a suitable topology) except (at this date) a bit inconvenient due to the required cryogenic operating temperatures.

Superconductors make for a good magnetic shield not because of their high electrical conductivity, but because they are diamagnetic.

I think you have a bit of studying to do.

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Everyone: just check out [ dr dre headphone breakdown] on Google and look at the article from the Huffington Post. That should be enlightening! Then Demian, we can discuss where I went wrong. '-)

Why don't you read some of the critiques of that article instead of just regurgitating without question?

Oh, and where are the mold costs listed in that breakdown?

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It's precisely its better conductivity that makes it the better electrostatic shield. For magnetic shielding, you want high permeability not conductivity.



Superconductors make for a good magnetic shield not because of their high electrical conductivity, but because they are diamagnetic.

I think you have a bit of studying to do.

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Steve, think about it a just little harder. And seal the entire box extremely well before building the model in your head. (Time varying, low frequencies that we typically worry about, too)
 
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