John wish you a happy birthday, even if it's Friday the 13th 😉
Stay active, stay healthy, illegitimi non carborundum!
Jan
Stay active, stay healthy, illegitimi non carborundum!
Jan
With a 120dB dynamic hearing range, it doesnt take very many mixes and combining channels, layering etc from digital recording techniques to be within audibility (<100dB dynamic range) unless great care is used in applying digital designs.
This is such absolute nonsense.
Yes, if you sit in a top notch anechoic chamber and let yourself acclimate for 20 minutes, you can hear as low (at 1kHz) as about 20 micro pascals (0 dB SPL) which is the threshold of hearing, and from there up to the threshold of pain.
BUT YOU CAN'T DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.
The INSTANTANEOUS dynamic range of human hearing (such as when we're listening to music, which is the only context that's germane to this discussion) is only around 60-70 dB, not 120 dB.
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Gaudi's house designs are just fine if you your thing is to act as a dwarf from Snow White or some such fable character. While amusing as a design excercise, I'd never want to live in one of them.
Sorry, Richard. 😀
Then you wouldnt like my house either. Though it isnt like Gaudi, it is 'different' all right. I had many people... real-estate, contractors and strangers say it is very nice and unique but wouldnt necessarily be their taste or comfort zone. I had a real-estate appraiser spend a month and came back with zero. said he could not put a price on it... there was nothing comparable to it. Its all just an art project. But no need to be sorry about what one likes or doesnt like.
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This is such absolute nonsense.
The INSTANTANEOUS dynamic range of human hearing (such as when we're listening to music, which is the only context that's germane to this discussion) is only around 60-70 dB, not 120 dB.
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who says so?
-RM
While looking that one up --- that isnt the point.... rather to avoid internal limiting of the dynamic range via digital processes --- noise and/or artifacts (distortion). Dont worry about it.... just like the removal of LP and CD produces lower over-all system distortion...... .... didnt get that either. Sorry.
THx-RNMarsh
THx-RNMarsh
Then you wouldnt like my house either. Though it isnt like Gaudi, it is 'different' all right. Its all an art project. But no need to be sorry.
-RM
Not necessarily so, Richard. I may not love Gaudi's style, but who's to say I wouldn't like yours? A little nuts may be just fine, I just don't like his style of a little nuts.
"Different" may be just fine if it reflects your state of mind. You never know until you experience it.
While looking that one up --- that isnt the point.... rather to avoid internal limiting of the dynamic range via digital processes --- noise and/or artifacts (distortion). Dont worry about it.... just like the removal of LP and CD produces lower over-all system distortion...... .... didnt get that either. Sorry.
THx-RNMarsh
Stands to reason for me. Less between me and the source, good by default, less processing, less variables, should mean less source signal degradation.
I'll do you one better se --- L.D.Fielder (Dolby Labs) - AES Fellow on the subject of dynamic range requirements. From this and others, I can extract what I want for my HiRes goals.
Dynamic-Range Issues in the Modern Digital Audio Environment
THx-RNMarsh
Dynamic-Range Issues in the Modern Digital Audio Environment
THx-RNMarsh
Yeah, but can they unconsciously tap their feet when listening to the crystal radio?
Yep
John, my sincere wishes to you having a great birthday and celebration, and great other days.
My father is same age as you, and just as I enjoy and learn by discussions with him, I relish and learn by your wisdoms that you so selflessly share.
Sincerely, Dan.
My father is same age as you, and just as I enjoy and learn by discussions with him, I relish and learn by your wisdoms that you so selflessly share.
Sincerely, Dan.
who says so?
-RM
The Ear's Protective Mechanisms
This damping mechanism is feedback system is root.
Ever notice how moments after loud transient such as hand clap, pistol shot, or various burst signals in otherwise fairly quiet setting that background sound is briefly quieter sounding?
If you are that strapped you cannot afford the music either, so you make your own and get the ultimate quality.
Playing a music instrument gives a great pleasure (regardless of financial circumstances).
And some ‘unconventional’ ways to play music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAEXH9DAH98
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKRj-T4l-e8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=verws2sLo7g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCPiodp8N8s
All you need is enough headroom at each stage to avoid needing to know all the dynamic range tricks that early DSP app notes stressed.
Yes, this is my experience too with miniDSP 2x4.
Headroom and where to look for problems when exceeding the limits, was the No.1 issue for me.
You may look at post #5, #9, #10 before the fix of the software plug-in bug and posts #24 to #30 after the fix applied by the minDSP devteam.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/minidsp/230470-signal-level-minidsp-x-over.html
Maybe the cheapest miniDSP is not the best example
I started using it as a learning tool for practicing the DSP path and as a flexible workbench for loudspeaker modifications.
I am still with it after some years, using it as the core of my –always changing at the speaker side-audio system.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/minidsp/238892-my-stack.html
For a two channel system, I don’t think I need something more advanced
I realize their app note giving filter coefficients to 10 or 12 decimal places seems a little ambitious.
Which is the relationship btn bit depth and decimal place for double-precision signed arithmetic data?
I will be looking at its performance in detail for an upcoming article.
I am looking forward to it
Angelo is a great resource and is perfect for those who want to plug and play.
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Any link Scott?
BUT YOU CAN'T DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.
The INSTANTANEOUS dynamic range of human hearing (such as when we're listening to music, which is the only context that's germane to this discussion) is only around 60-70 dB, not 120 dB.
I find this correct. The high level stimulus raises the low level detectability threshold.
Environmental noise would too narrow the range by ~30dB.
Subtract another 20dB-30dB due to Tinnitus 😡 and what’s left? 😀
I'll do you one
A good paper Richard, thank you.
Happy

George
Next time, do not forget to get in Sagrada Família. You will have to wait a queue for more than one hour, but the result is worth the time.
Yes I did go inside (2009) - absolutely beautiful.
Not to forget ... each track adding his hiss to the final mix (multi track recording/mixing)... losses of dynamic on the tape each time it is played or just with time, pre and post echos... non linearity in the response curve, woow and flutter...SThe best pro Tape machines were from 60dB all the way up to 110dB if you allowed 3% THD.
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