JN,
Fairly easy to make a potting compound with a high temp two part epoxy and lab grade aluminum oxide powder. Haven't done it for some time but it does work well.
Fairly easy to make a potting compound with a high temp two part epoxy and lab grade aluminum oxide powder. Haven't done it for some time but it does work well.
JN,
Fairly easy to make a potting compound with a high temp two part epoxy and lab grade aluminum oxide powder. Haven't done it for some time but it does work well.
Agreed. Fairly easy to mix. The difficulty is in getting the right composition. Too much alumina and the composite will go dry and the TCE will be that of alumina, 6 to 8 ppm/C. Too little, and the thermal conductivity goes down.
From zero percent alumina to some maximum number, the TCE and conductivity will be calculable by the volume ratio of the mix. But once you hit a max, the tce goes to alumina and the conductivity dies.
Over the years I've found it best to let emerson cuming do their job, so I don't have to worry about the next "batch". Every so often, somebody here tries to reinvent the wheel, and I end up getting called in to figure out why it didn't work right.
jn
From Wikipedia:'Random' and 'chaotic' are two quite different behaviours, which may sometimes look superficially similar.
To me, the use of the term by jn was in the first sense. If in the 2nd sense then of course Spice has no problems following the behaviour of the system ...In common usage, "chaos" means "a state of disorder".[8] However, in chaos theory, the term is defined more precisely. Although there is no universally accepted mathematical definition of chaos, a commonly used definition says that, for a dynamical system to be classified as chaotic, it must have the following properties:[9]
The requirement for sensitive dependence on initial conditions implies that there is a set of initial conditions of positive measure which do not converge to a cycle of any length.
- it must be sensitive to initial conditions;
- it must be topologically mixing; and
- its periodic orbits must be dense.
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Spice might have trouble simulating a chaotic system. It would depend on the degree of sensitivity to floating point rounding errors. The system might keep jumping between different trajectories if they get too close.fas42 said:If in the 2nd sense then of course Spice has no problems following the behaviour of the system ...
Which is then down to the particular implementation of Spice, how many bits are used for floating point. Nice thing with computing, is that one can always add more grunt when needed - downside is that results take longer to come out, but this is an issue that steadily improves, year by year ...
From my experience, I find the stycast to be the best...
Thank you jn. Great detail and application data.
Dave
Fas42,
I just don't really consider that type of randomness as chaos as I imagine it. Chaotic theory is way different than what I would think any randomness from a number generator would be. Rounding error wouldn't really be a chaotic function I don't think.
I just don't really consider that type of randomness as chaos as I imagine it. Chaotic theory is way different than what I would think any randomness from a number generator would be. Rounding error wouldn't really be a chaotic function I don't think.
Rounding error wouldn't really be a chaotic function I don't think.
Oddly enough, that was exactly how Lorentz was inspired to found the field of non-linear dynamics: rounding errors in the 14th decimal place completely changed the output of his dynamical weather models.
Got it Sy. But that was the inspiration right, not the actual end result of the chaos theory, is that correct? In chemistry and physics does that hold true?
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Oddly enough, that was exactly how Lorenz was inspired to found the field of non-linear dynamics: rounding errors in the 14th decimal place completely changed the output of his dynamical weather models.
And one day, I'll learn to spell. H/T to GK.
Oddly enough, that was exactly how Lorentz was inspired to found the field of non-linear dynamics: rounding errors in the 14th decimal place completely changed the output of his dynamical weather models.
One of the early IBM super computers got replaced by another brand but they had to go back to the slower IBM because the last few digits - where all the new info is --- wasnt consistant from run to run... it was faster but kept getting very slightly different results.
Each supercomputer generation has to get more accurate and with smaller data to be useful.
THx-RNmarsh
Some of these types of rounding errors had nasty consequences:
Computer Arithmetic Tragedies page of Kees Vuik
Cheers,
ZAP
Computer Arithmetic Tragedies page of Kees Vuik
Cheers,
ZAP
While all these rounding errors have lead to problems they can all be calculated as to their percentage of error and the probable outcomes. While the results may be chaotic I don't think I could consider them truly equal to chaos where the random events can not be predicted by normal analysis.
Rounding error wouldn't really be a chaotic function I don't think.
I don't know, but take a look at the first four hits when you Google
"chaos and round off error" and let me know what you think.
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Here a couple of other definitions and explanations.
What is Chaos Theory? : FractalFoundation.org
Chaos -- from Wolfram MathWorld
Quantum Chaos - Scientific American
What is Chaos Theory? : FractalFoundation.org
Chaos -- from Wolfram MathWorld
Quantum Chaos - Scientific American
These 3 guys got into trouble with rounding errors
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