What about Chris comments
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/loun...ch-preamplifier-part-ii-4784.html#post3803340
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Most likely the first graph looks the same in shape as the second one if it was only for the noise. The rise of THD+N in the 1st graph towards lower levels is noise that rises above the THD which is no longer visible.
In the second graph the THD is so large that it rises above the noise so the noise is no longer visible.
You can only meaningfully compare the two graphs if they would show THD only, not THD+N.
Edit: I was shooting from the hip - I now see that others have made a similar comment. Anyway, the plot is clear 🙂
Jan
And your point about crossover distortion is not amiss: -93dB 3rd harmonic from a +25dBW output signal is -68dB ref 1 watt, a reasonably typical listening level with typical speakers of say 88dB SPL/1W/1M.
At one watt, the measurements show something like 0.002% THD+N, noise dominated. Where did you get the idea that the distortion amplitude was constant with level?
Why is the autotransformer not a sub class of transformers ( having only one coil) but rather a different class all together ?Sort of. Their solid state amps use autoformers, not transformers.
se
Author is Rudolf Moers who wrote that 10 pound book on tube amplifier design
And a fun bloke.
(Wilson Sophia on Classé amps, that I lived to see the day. The flatter version : Classé CAM 350 monoblock power amplifier Measurements part 2 | Stereophile.com )
Ok,
1. How are you determining noise from thd ?
2. Why do thd+N ?
3. At mW outputs where noise dominates( based on thd+N) then wouldnt this be part of its distortion spectra.
1. How are you determining noise from thd ?
2. Why do thd+N ?
3. At mW outputs where noise dominates( based on thd+N) then wouldnt this be part of its distortion spectra.
And a fun bloke.
(Wilson Sophia on Classé amps, that I lived to see the day. The flatter version : Classé CAM 350 monoblock power amplifier Measurements part 2 | Stereophile.com )
Subjectively amps with such a graph Favors well .....
Ok,
1. How are you determining noise from thd ?
2. Why do thd+N ?
3. At mW outputs where noise dominates( based on thd+N) then wouldnt this be part of its distortion spectra.
I don't know what you are questioning but imo THD and N not only have different measures but also different perceived sounds. Noise is not fatiguing or problematic but it masks detail and (from simulation it seems) bass performance.
1. How are you determining noise from thd ?
2. Why do thd+N ?
3. At mW outputs where noise dominates( based on thd+N) then wouldnt this be part of its distortion spectra.
1. Shape of the curve, along with actual reported noise measurement.
2. Ask John Atkinson.
3. No, it's part of the spectra (floor), but it's noise, not distortion.
Compare and contrast to, say, the big Parasound amp.
GMAFB
Yes, I know what opinion others have on this. I don't like repeating others (Cordell, Self, whoever they think is the reference in opinions) that's why I mention it 😎
How to calculate the cap value?
About the resistor value 100-300 ohms don't change if the loudspeaker have 4 ohms?
TIA & sorry in advance for these newbie wuestions.
The resistor should be the cable's impedance. It's nothing to do with the speaker nominal impedance.
If you use a very low impedance cable, like 8 ohms, then the resistor will be too much of a load and will get hot. Since the reason for the resistor is to quash high frequency effects outside of hearing, you can just model it as a hf crossover, with the break frequency above 20 Khz.
Because it does essentially does what a transformer does. The core will be the same, but the primary and secondary share a portion of the wind.Why is the autotransformer not a sub class of transformers ( having only one coil) but rather a different class all together ?
jn
Because it does essentially does what a transformer does. The core will be the same, but the primary and secondary share a portion of the wind.
But it works like voltage divider instead of the complex induction transformation thing that has many issues.
Autoformer
Any substantive difference in I/O characteristics between a transformer and autoformer is due to the lack of galvanic isolation between input and output.
Howie
Howard Hoyt
CE - WXYC-FM 89.3
UNC Chapel Hill, NC
www.wxyc.org
But it works like voltage divider instead of the complex induction transformation thing that has many issues.
Any substantive difference in I/O characteristics between a transformer and autoformer is due to the lack of galvanic isolation between input and output.
Howie
Howard Hoyt
CE - WXYC-FM 89.3
UNC Chapel Hill, NC
www.wxyc.org
But it works like voltage divider instead of the complex induction transformation thing that has many issues.
Remove the core and see what happens.🙂 A Variac is the most common place folks run across autoformers, they usually go up a little and down to very little.
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Remove the core and see what happens.🙂
😀
I believe/guess that the absence of galvanic isolation as Hoyt mentioned is more towards the beneficial side for autoformer. I'm familiar with transformer sound but not autoformer but I guess there is not many issues with autoformer as it is commonly used in speaker crossover with unnoticeable problems.
1965 US Air Force training video:
Electronics: Transformers 1965 United States Air Force Training Film - YouTube
se
Electronics: Transformers 1965 United States Air Force Training Film - YouTube
se
😀
I believe/guess that the absence of galvanic isolation as Hoyt mentioned is more towards the beneficial side for autoformer. I'm familiar with transformer sound but not autoformer but I guess there is not many issues with autoformer as it is commonly used in speaker crossover with unnoticeable problems.
Yep nothing wrong with miles of copper before speakers
How about air core autotransformer? Wow! 😀
The real high end.
I think I saw wunnadoze in Young Frankenstein.. or was it Frankensteen?😕
jn
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