John Curl's Blowtorch preamplifier part II

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The fallacy is that the few that try to use science to tell the majority that they have been brainwashed. The repeated attempts to persuade the subjective listeners that they are just biased and do not hear anything that they think they do is ludicrous.


Is this protracted whine some kind of reaction against the demonstrated inability of audiophiles in the outer fringe to scientifically demonstrate that they can here the things they claim?
 
Is this protracted whine some kind of reaction against the demonstrated inability of audiophiles in the outer fringe to scientifically demonstrate that they can here the things they claim?

Outer fringe? Demonstrated? There are far more people that can hear than think that they can not. Majority rules 😀

How about the scientific community try to find out the reasons that these things exist rather than hiding behind dated information that does not understand the human brain!
 
Anyone who makes a grandiose claim to the effect that their speakers create a true illusion of a real, live performance in their living room reveals a severe lack of acuity in their listening abilities.

I believe that this was his way of saying that these speakers do a better job of this illusion, than any others that he has owned or heard before. I don't think that anyone is under the delusion that there are actual people standing in their living room with instruments 😀
 
Exist? Like ghosts, fairies and elves? Why should the scientific community chase deadend B.S?

So the majority is wrong again. I am glad that I live in a free country where a minority is not allowed to rule and dictate how I live, love and listen! The deadend ** is the constant drone of those that can not hear difference in anything. Maybe we should all have table radios and be done with it 🙂
 
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While this is true, some do less damage to the signal that passes thru their circuits than others. Call it colorations, distortions, what ever term you prefer, the differences are there.

Am I to assume that you feel that ever amplifier/preamplifier sounds identical, if they measure the same? You hear no difference in tube circuits vs. SS? Again if they measure the same? The fallacy is that the few that try to use science to tell the majority that they have been brainwashed. The repeated attempts to persuade the subjective listeners that they are just biased and do not hear anything that they think they do is ludicrous.
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Bob Cordell's tube amp that was engineered to measure extremely well, was found to sound the same as his ss amp, unless (and that is important), it clipped. There are more examples, like Bob Carver carefully 'messing up' the damping factor and a few other things in his ss amp to be the same as a tube amp, and they were found to sound the same. I don't say that all amps sound the same (they obviously don't), but if they don't, chances are that there is a measureable difference, if you know where to look.

BTW I agree that the amp should be transparent in the sense that it should neither add nor subtract from the signal it is processing. This apparently is different from Joshua's opinion (if I interprete it correctly, but I'm sure he will tell me if I don't) who stated that he doesn't want accuracy but 'lifelike sound', which by deduction is then sound changed by the amp or whatever.

BTW2: Of course you are deluded 😉. So am I and everybody on this forum who thinks in terms of soundstage, imaging and virtual instrument placement. I got news for you guys: there is no orchestra in your room. You're imagining it. Stereo reproduction is the mother of all delusions. Isn't it interesting that many here vehemently fight even the notion of being able to be deluded, but readily let themselves be deluded again and again when listening to their systems? Aren't people interesting?

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Bob Cordell's tube amp that was engineered to measure extremely well, was found to sound the same as his ss amp, unless (and that is important), it clipped. There are more examples, like Bob Carver carefully 'messing up' the damping factor and a few other things in his ss amp to be the same as a tube amp, and they were found to sound the same. I don't say that all amps sound the same (they obviously don't), but if they don't, chances are that there is a measureable difference, if you know where to look.

BTW I agree that the amp should be transparent in the sense that it should neither add nor subtract from the signal it is processing. This apparently is different from Joshua's opinion (if I interprete it correctly, but I'm sure he will tell me if I don't) who stated that he doesn't want accuracy but 'lifelike sound', which by deduction is then sound changed by the amp or whatever.

BTW2: Of course you are deluded 😉. So am I and everybody on this forum who thinks in terms of soundstage, imaging and virtual instrument placement. I got news for you guys: there is no orchestra in your room. You're imagining it. Stereo reproduction is the mother of all delusions. Isn't it interesting that many here vehemently fight even the notion of being able to be deluded, but readily let themselves be deluded again and again when listening to their systems? Aren't humans interesting?

jd

Jan,

A pure tubed component (without SS in its signal path) is far more involving than any SS that I have ever heard. Bob Carver is a designer of note now?

I do not think anyone is going to say that they see people on stage with instruments, in their living room 🙂 It is simply the "visualization" of it. Some systems give a much great sense of this than others. Do you not agree? It is many times electronics themselves that allow or not allow the degree of this perception to be experienced.
 
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[snip]Also, measurements like SNR, THD, IM and TIM doesn't relate to all possible differences between the input and output signals. Frequency dependent phase shift is only one difference that escapes the above mentioned measurements. Frequency dependent temporal shift is another one.

There are other measurements that do catch those. Google 'group delay'.

jd
 
Good for you. Your knowledge of quantum physics must surpass his.

Why bother responding with such a weak insult?

"What the Bleep do we Know?" was one of the worst pieces of psuedo-cult trash I have seen in years. It was packed with Steiner-esqe blather. Guess what?, he was influenced by Theosophy, no surprise. I won't bore folks with my choice Steiner quotes like speaking French destroys one's ability to think.
 
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