Why is that? Is it not the goal to try to replicate the environment where the recordings were made, along with spatial clues as to where each instrument was located at the time of the recordings? I guess I quite listening to table top radios earlier than others 🙂
Is this protracted whine some kind of reaction against the demonstrated inability of audiophiles in the outer fringe to scientifically demonstrate that they can here the things they claim?
Outer fringe? Demonstrated? There are far more people that can hear than think that they can not. Majority rules 😀
How about the scientific community try to find out the reasons that these things exist rather than hiding behind dated information that does not understand the human brain!
Anyone who makes a grandiose claim to the effect that their speakers create a true illusion of a real, live performance in their living room reveals a severe lack of acuity in their listening abilities.
Exist? Like ghosts, fairies and elves? Why should the scientific community chase deadend B.S?
So the majority is wrong again. I am glad that I live in a free country where a minority is not allowed to rule and dictate how I live, love and listen! The deadend ** is the constant drone of those that can not hear difference in anything. Maybe we should all have table radios and be done with it 🙂
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Bob Cordell's tube amp that was engineered to measure extremely well, was found to sound the same as his ss amp, unless (and that is important), it clipped. There are more examples, like Bob Carver carefully 'messing up' the damping factor and a few other things in his ss amp to be the same as a tube amp, and they were found to sound the same. I don't say that all amps sound the same (they obviously don't), but if they don't, chances are that there is a measureable difference, if you know where to look.
BTW I agree that the amp should be transparent in the sense that it should neither add nor subtract from the signal it is processing. This apparently is different from Joshua's opinion (if I interprete it correctly, but I'm sure he will tell me if I don't) who stated that he doesn't want accuracy but 'lifelike sound', which by deduction is then sound changed by the amp or whatever.
BTW2: Of course you are deluded 😉. So am I and everybody on this forum who thinks in terms of soundstage, imaging and virtual instrument placement. I got news for you guys: there is no orchestra in your room. You're imagining it. Stereo reproduction is the mother of all delusions. Isn't it interesting that many here vehemently fight even the notion of being able to be deluded, but readily let themselves be deluded again and again when listening to their systems? Aren't people interesting?
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A pure tubed component (without SS in its signal path) is far more involving than any SS that I have ever heard. Bob Carver is a designer of note now?
I do not think anyone is going to say that they see people on stage with instruments, in their living room 🙂 It is simply the "visualization" of it. Some systems give a much great sense of this than others. Do you not agree? It is many times electronics themselves that allow or not allow the degree of this perception to be experienced.
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Why bother responding with such a weak insult?
"What the Bleep do we Know?" was one of the worst pieces of psuedo-cult trash I have seen in years. It was packed with Steiner-esqe blather. Guess what?, he was influenced by Theosophy, no surprise. I won't bore folks with my choice Steiner quotes like speaking French destroys one's ability to think.
First Joshua, now you again. Who stated that they cannot hear a difference in anything? Are you so unsecure that you need to flight into making things up?
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Reminds me of the comment made by Francois Girard at the French homecinema forum a couple of years ago when he saw the insides of the CTC BT : MAIS C'EST VIDE !
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